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Why It's Crucial To Expose US Provocations in Ukraine - Antiwar.com (original.antiwar.com)

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If you believe that Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine was unprovoked, you will likely compare Putin to Hitler and will likely oppose President Trump’s peace negotiations with Russia. After all, if Putin’s invasion was unprovoked, a settlement would reward naked aggression and would be akin to Neville Chamberlain’s 1938 appeasement…

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

The only concrete assertion I see in this linked wall of text is:

Ukrainians are "dominated in their thinking by neo-Nazis”

…Which is false. And tremendously ironic in the current political climate in the EU/US.

The rest is just a whole bunch of whataboutism about how the US is a pompous, warmongering ass, which is true. But it’s no excuse.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
The Guardian, 2017: 'I want to bring up a warrior': Ukraine's far-right children's camp – video
WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.org 1 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

These links don't support the thesis „ukraine is dominated by nazis", but rather there are issues with fascists, but on a small level.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Just a small problem of thousands of murdered eastern Ukrainians, and the Ukrainian state’s efforts to systematically suppress their political representation and erase their culture. Which is why the ICJ is investigating it for genocide.

They’re not Nazis unless they come from the Nationalsozialistische region of Deutschland. — Some German on the internet

[–] derGottesknecht@feddit.org 1 points 14 hours ago

Didn't the ICJ already ruled they found no evidence of a genocide? And most researchers also reject the russian claims?

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