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People should be allowed to exist
Social programs aren't communism
The system isn't working for the people
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I've changed my mind on this.
Let the DNC go full MAGA and when they lose, because they will lose, they get the heat and we can eject them forever. At least sit them in a corner.
Progressives, you fight if you want but I don't believe the elections will be fair so it's a win win for you.
The blue MAGA are here on Lemmy and I ran into couple of them. They keep shouting to the rooftops that the Democratic party did nothing wrong and berate Trump voters as stupid and ignorant. But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently. Basically, blue MAGA don't want to go left, because even if they are socially progressive on issues, they benefit from wealth inequality because they themselves are affluent in spite of being socially progressive.
Edit: yep, the blue MAGA came out of the woodwork. They think Medicare for all, affordable housing, and increasing minimum wage are red fascism.
Yeah I don't believe you. People aren't saying that. That is you taking the liberty of recharacterizing their thoughts.
im not even from the US and i see this shit constantly on Lemmy
I have been accused of loving Democrats for saying things like "what are Democrats supposed to do about voters who would let trump win?" It's as though nuance was outlawed and people cannot understand that a problem can have multiple causes.
And yes I've heard all that about being inspiring. The reality is that educated people would've made very different voting choices. Americans are incredibly ignorant. Democrats can't hypnotize people into not being idiots
I find the concept of "voters were just to dumb, cant do anything about that" to be quite representative of what is wrong with the party. It is elitist, it is factually false and it is deeply undemocratic.
except education levels are tied to voting bloc amid republicans attacking education
so that cam be true and the democratic party be shit at the same time
Yes I'm aware that people think nonvoters are helpless and then somehow find that better than being dumb
What Democrats are supposed to do is sell those voters on a platform of meaningful change that addresses their fears and concerns. It's a candidate's job to win voters over to their side, and if they can't do that, you have to actually ask questions about what went wrong and learn lessons from it instead of throwing your hands up and declaring it's everyone else's fault but the DNC's. Otherwise that attitude is what will lead to doing the exact same thing in 2028 and getting the same results.
The worst of the mindless drivel I find so incredibly frustrating. Things can have more than one cause, as you're so clumsily trying to ignore. When voters need convincing to exit a burning building, that would indicate a problem with their mentality as well. I'm done arguing about this extremely simple concept.
The point is that blaming voters isn't actionable or useful. It isn't a lesson we can learn for 2028. And when that's what people keep deflecting the conversation to, it sure seems like a way for the DNC to avoid taking responsibility.
When you ask the question "what are Democrats supposed to do?", the answer is not "nothing".
Rendering the voters blameless is ignoring a reality that necessarily is a part of strategizing moving forward.
No shit? They didn't do "nothing", they did ineffective things half assedly. But sure it's really helpful just to think of everything as black and white. It's been working out SO well recently. Now, get back to defending not voting as somehow blameless
What do you think should be learned from this past election, and what should Democrats do differently going forward? Answering that question is what matters. Laying the blame at the feet of non-voters is pointless because it's the Democrats' job to inspire those people to vote for them. The last thing I want to see Democrats doing is crying that the voters are too stupid and avoiding all responsibility.
I personally voted for Kamala and agree that was the right choice to prevent Trump from winning, but not everyone is perfectly rational at all times and in all ways and you need to get over it and adjust to that reality instead of going "oh, woe is me. I am oh so smart and everyone else is oh so stupid. It's their fault we're in this mess and there's nothing the Democrats can do about it." Taking responsibility is more important than placing blame.
A valid and good question that we should talk about. Obviously we need better candidates, standing up against the these rich fucks, and better messaging. We need a good platform we don't back down from, namely, something like building a decent healthcare system.
Binary thinking that absolutely destroys a chance at conversation/progress. The fault is not all on one group. I cannot fucking stand the fact that people need to make it that way. Those who did not vote are incorrigible, and pretending to have certainty of democrats' ability to magically persuade them of anything is ridiculous. Those non voters have to be considered. Just because you cannot make a direct immediate action to force them to do anything doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge and consider that their extreme shirking of responsibility is their fault, full stop; insane to contest that. What's more complicated is who is to blame for the election going to trump. You could write a 900 page book on the topic. Y'all want 2 sentences and be done with it.
You don't understand. Whether or not I feel superior to those people isn't what matters. I mean, this is like the toddler shitting its pants being unmentionable because if I do, I'm bragging about being potty trained. We don't need or have to brag about something like that. We have to think about what it takes to get those people to vote, yes, but my other issue people is acting like democrats going "radical" (other people's words, not mine) is a panacea.
There's this tendency to want to blame one group and make every problem simple and it's not helpful. "Oh if democrats would just go more left than most of americans, that will fix everything. those idiots!" is enraging, simplistic, and ignorant. That is the thought process I'm pissed about.
If you believe this, then why do you have such a problem with people calling for the Democrats to move left? This is exactly what we're all asking for and somehow you're offended by it despite claiming to agree with it. I don't understand your position.
The faulty assumption you're making is that most Americans would disapprove of the Democrats going more left, and I can prove it. Here's a list of "lefty" progressive policies that the Democrats have abandoned and their approval ratings:
Medicare for All shows majority support in nearly every poll.
55% support raising the federal minimum wage.
An overwhelming majority support ending citizens united.
59% support the green new deal.
79% support raising taxes on the rich.
These numbers vary by single digit percentage points from poll to poll, not enough to change the conclusion - that progressive policy is overwhelmingly popular - which is why it's so frustrating that you're defending Democrats shying away from those policies to appeal to a mythical "moderate."
You are mischaracterizing what I'm saying and doing. I keep repeating it, but one more time: I do not like the false dichotomy that it is either one group's fault or another. Lazy non voters are largely to blame.
You've gotta be trolling me.