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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 24 points 6 days ago (22 children)

You should read the ruling in more detail, the judge explains the reasoning behind why he found the way that he did. For example:

Authors argue that using works to train Claude’s underlying LLMs was like using works to train any person to read and write, so Authors should be able to exclude Anthropic from this use (Opp. 16). But Authors cannot rightly exclude anyone from using their works for training or learning as such. Everyone reads texts, too, then writes new texts. They may need to pay for getting their hands on a text in the first instance. But to make anyone pay specifically for the use of a book each time they read it, each time they recall it from memory, each time they later draw upon it when writing new things in new ways would be unthinkable.

This isn't "oligarch interests and demands," this is affirming a right to learn and that copyright doesn't allow its holder to prohibit people from analyzing the things that they read.

[–] realitista@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

But AFAIK they actually didn't acquire the legal rights even to read the stuff they trained from. There were definitely cases of pirated books used to train models.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and that part of the case is going to trial. This was a preliminary judgment specifically about the training itself.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

specifically about the training itself.

It's two issues being ruled on.

Yes, as you mention, the act of training an LLM was ruled to be fair use, assuming that the digital training data was legally obtained.

The other part of the ruling, which I think is really, really important for everyone, not just AI/LLM companies or developers, is that it is legal to buy printed books and digitize them into a central library with indexed metadata. Anthropic has to go to trial on the pirated books they just downloaded from the internet, but has fully won the portion of the case about the physical books they bought and digitized.

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