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The fact that any of them are still alive is only because Israel was constrained from using its nuclear weapons.
Bibi got exactly what he wanted. He killed Israel's top 10nuclear scientists in the first 10 minutes of the attack. There has been no huge international outcry as a result of the attack so he now knows that he can do it again without consequences. He dragged fascist boot licker Donald Trump into the conflict so now he knows that the US will run to his aid whenever he needs it.
Trump got exactly what he wanted. He was horribly embarrassed by the fact that everyone was laughing at his dollar store dictator parade and got to flex his strongman muscles. Never mind the fact that the attack was a near total failure, his fascist bootlicking base believe that his approval rating is at 99.9% and that he completely wiped out Iran's nuclear capabilities.
Other than that, though, Iran definitely won.
Bibi (and the west) wanted regime change
that did not happen. The bulk of Iranians rallied around the current govt. He wanted to eradicate Iran's ability to enrich
that did not happen.
There is huge international outcry, just not in the west. One could argue that the consequences of this outcry isnt substantially retaliatory, but there is no doubt major outcry from the global majority and has only strengthened defense agreements among the major powers supporting Iran.
It was already known that the US would aid in Israel's defense, especially considering that this attack was jointly coordinated. So while the US intervened, it was only intended to deescalate, evident by the potempkin attack on Iran's nuclear sites. Bibi's ultimate goal is to have the US involved in a long-term, official military capacity, which it did not achieve.
Trump got the opposite of what he wanted. He completely alienated his base by forsaking his promise to not get militarily involved in West Asian affairs and drag the US into more war. A significant number of his supporters view him as weak in this regard, not a so-called strongman. And what does he have to materially show for his efforts
nada.
This is a victory for Iran because the mystique of Israel has been completely broken by Iranian missiles. Everyone in the region thought Israel was unassailable -- supported by the US with the weapons and forces of the US -- they assumed it was invulnerable. And now it's quite clearly vulnerable and was so at the point of breaking apart, because there are a lot of pressures inside of Israel right now. The myth of Israeli technical, material superiority and exceptionalism has been punctured. This is major.
What impact this will have within the region however, we will see.
So Israel killed 9 of the top 10 nuclear scientists in Iran in the first series of strikes then cleaned up the 10th shortly after and you don't think they could have taken out a large number of the members of the Iranian regime? Cool. Cool, cool, cool.
Clearly you're here to argue conjectures rather than have informed discussion. Have a nice day
We were having a civil discussion. I don't agree with you so you label me a troll but that doesn't make it so.