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Ukraine’s arsenal expands West: Denmark to host Kyiv’s first overseas defense plants
(euromaidanpress.com)
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Is this what it looks like when a country is losing a war? The moment before utter collapse looks like the nation's defense industry maturing international partnerships and production lines in conjunction with other powerful countries on a mutually beneficial basis while being the focus of an arms development expo?
Damn, Ukraine I would surrender now if I were you.
/s
Also while I think Ukraine deserves to become a much larger focus for global military industrial arms development, also.... this shit is a bad drug. It will kill you even as it makes you more powerful... but at this point I see this as a bigger threat to Ukraine than Russia decisively winning. This is just getting absurd how hard US mainstream media is trying to sell the idea that Ukraine is losing. I am not saying the outlook or current situation are great in the near term for Ukraine, but again I don't think Ukraine would be developing mature arms production relationships specifically to share their expertise learned on the battlefield if Ukraine was losing the way the news always is trying to convince me it is....
They simply wouldn't have the time, because war famously isn't great about giving you spare time to pursue opportunities elsewhere in the world. If Russia was winning the way it needs to all aid flowing into Ukraine would just basically be flowing inwards, a one way street of more powerful, rested, experts providing materials and knowledge to an exhausted fighting force that doesn't have the time to pursue new developments rather than keep hammering on the ones that are working at the frontline.... this isn't that relationship though, this is clearly a two way conversation which demonstrates a different power balance, one where Ukraine is much more powerful than the media keeps trying to portray it as. I am not saying Ukranians aren't exhausted, I am saying they are exhausted AND.
If you don't understand why I am proposing this other hypothetical possibility for Ukraine, understand I elucidate it because I believe it is the position that the US military industrial complex wanted Ukraine to be in, but Ukraine fought so hard despite being supported by shitty allies that weren't actually real allies that it didn't happen. The U.S. military industrial complex doesn't want domestic arms productions in other countries with homegrown experts there who understand war without needing consultation and direct arms sales from US companies that have a monopoly in material and knowledge about how to produce the means for countries to effectively defend themselves.
Wow, this is a confused garble of loaded opinion.
It also reeks of Russian disinformation tactics.
They seem to be saying that:
1-The Ukrainian defense industry is going to get big and turn them into a miniature version of America with its military-industrial complex, which is really bad.
2-Ukraine's position is likely better than media portrays, since they have the capacity to pursue such opportunities while maintaining their war effort.
I certainly haven't seen these arguments made before, but they don't seem like disinformation.
It smells of disinformation as it presents several differing views and conclusions. Entirely in accordance with Russian disinformation tactics both domestic and international.
The tool is to bombard with enough contradictory truths that one has to choose a subset and reject the others, or give up in the face of the constant flood.
Where's the contradiction? Ukraine is expanding its defense industry internationally -> their defense industry is strong -> they're doing well in the war + their military-industrial complex will get more powerful. Seems to be one consistent train of thought. The first paragraph is sarcasm.
Yes, this is what I was intending, the only part you missed was my general reluctance to engage in the worship of warfighting as I saw what it did to my country.
Look at my post and comment history, everything I have said is consistent with it, I am welcome to someone debating on the merits of my arguments (which in no way are pro russian or pro russian imperialism) but I bristle at being called a Russian plant because it reveals an intellectual laziness that is uninterested in my points that are decidedly, unambigously pro-Ukraine.
I don't know what people's primary languages are here, maybe my words are being lost in translation?