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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 163 points 2 days ago (129 children)

Buttigieg is one of the best politicians America has right now.

Him growing a beard is a completely different thing from known bitch Ted Cruz growing one.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 92 points 2 days ago (23 children)

I mean, that's a really low bar. I like Pete, and I would certainly vote for him instead of just about anyone in any position of government. But I do think our standards have been lowered to the point where "not a nazi shitbag" is going to put him in the upper echelon.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago (3 children)

All of politics is a compromise. You can't actually accomplish anything if you have a dogmatic approach to it. That's why Sanders, who I very nearly wholeheartedly support, is so rarely able to actually get anything done. And bless him for it!, he's the moral compass we need! But to get things done, politicians need to make deals, sometimes with shitty people.

I don't like everything that Buttigieg represents. But I like him a lot more than Newsom, who throws trans people under the buss without provocation. I certainly like him more than Joe Walsh, the 'former' (?) Tea Party conservative that now claims to be a Democrat.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago

How exactly are Republicans compromising with the American left right now?

[–] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a difference between reasonable compromise and compromising with fascists who want to kill people. You cant deal with or compromise with them, especially since they will never work to compromise with you when they're in power. And atleast so far it feels like the current democratic party tried to move right during the election to compromise with these people rather then standing firm on certain principles like protecting migrants. People like Bernie dont win because the corporate interests and the establishment of the party will throw everything against them to stop them from winning. There's a reason one of the most popular things in America is a progressive ballot measures, even in red states.

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You cant deal with or compromise with them

You kind of have to, since government relies on the consent of the governed. When enough of them will no longer consent to being governed, your government will fail. But if you really want to address that problem, you look at the reasons why people turn to fascism; it's not something that happens in a vacuum.

In this case, the dems are handling it badly; they're trying to move to the right in order to give the fascists the things that they say they want. But what they say they want isn't really the root issue, which means that dems can never go far enough right to win their vote.

[–] WarlordSdocy@lemmy.zip 2 points 13 hours ago

Yeah I generally agree with you, Dems aren't doing good at providing an alternative and are actively fighting against voices in the party who are offering an alternative. But at the same time you can't let the fascists accomplish their agenda, you have to use the same tactics they use against the Dems when they're in power. No compromising and obstructing on every thing you can to stop them from being able to implement what they want. Doing that while offering a progressive populist vision would be the only way to recover and pull people back from people like Trump.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -2 points 2 days ago

Bullshit. Governing is compromise, but politics is bullshit. I mean that in the literal sense. To get what you want politically, you have to push the overton window so that you can govern towards the middle. But the middle between reasonable and fascism is not a great place for governing anyone.

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