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It wasn't raining.
There was no reason for them to escalate.
This is a common tactic used to go after people of color, it isn't remotely new.
Why in the absolute fuck are you advocating for people to just swallow fucking boot all the damn time?
Challenging this nonsense is the way, historically, any change has happened. You are just arguing against people doing the right thing and saying "but its OK because cops are taught to do this".
No shit. Thats the fucking problem. He knew what was happening and what would happen, thats why he asked for a supervisor.
The fact that you think this would have gone substantially better for him by just complying shows a complete and utter ignorance of the history of policing.
"Can I see your ID?"
"Sure, here you go. You know this is bullshit, though. It's not raining."
"HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT TO ME YOU DIRTY (baton strike) FILTHY (baton strike) MOTHER (baton strike) FUCKER"
I mean, maybe. That's kind of how it used to be, I grew up during that time, it happened to some people I knew. One of the big changes that's happened recently is that almost always when the cops behave that way in the modern day, they actually get charges. That's new, like within just the last few years that it started happening consistently. How did that change happen? That's actually a really important question, and I think you're glossing over a lot of how we got there by looking at the whole thing through this absolutely absurd lens.
Man... we're going to have to agree to disagree on this, and just leave it at that.
Allow me to update with a personal experience:
And then I was arrested for suspicion of being under the influence (because I had the gall to talk back to a cop), and my car was impounded for being unfit for the road.
Just to note here - no, I was not under the influence of anything, and my brake lights absolutely were not out. My friend recording audio on his feature phone (because thats how long back this story goes) got the charges dropped, and the goddamn manual in the fucking car proved me right about the damn parking lights.
Yes this shit happens. Yes this shit continues to happen.
Yes, you are incredibly fucking ignorant if you think otherwise.
Edit: I hit send too quickly because of how pissed off your comment made me.
BECAUSE PEOPLE STARTED PROTESTING AFTER THIS SHIT KEPT HAPPENING, AND PEOPLE FUCKING DIED.
Thats how.
Edit 2 because of how much this pissed me off.
And its still only the worst and most newsworthy examples, and even for those many end up being a slap on the wrist at best.
People still getting fucking shot and killed in their own bedrooms because cops can't get a fucking address right, attending talks where they get told how hot it is to get laid after you killed someone, with far right pieces of shit being ingrained in the police for literally fucking decades, and you really think just fucking comply is a "smart" decision.
Ffs, the absolute goddamn privilege in those replies.
Yeah, sounds great. Among other things I think burning down the 3rd precinct had a lot to do with changing the overall dynamic, just because like a lot of things, if people are dealing with some population that can fight back, they react differently than if the people can't. I am saying that starting to yell at every cop that pulls you over and refuse to ID yourself is not really going to change the system, if you did it for a thousand years.
I know people with way worse than your experience. Yes, it sucks. It would have been much worse if you'd decided "You know what, I think this is a bunch of crap, no you can't have my ID and I'm not getting out of the car". That's part of my point.
IDK why you're yelling at me, like I'm saying that the cops never did/do anything wrong. I'm saying this dude created his own situation, and people who are one-side-is-fine-other-side-did-everything-wrong, like you are here, are enabling other people to go down his same path, ignore the laws and cops that are reasonable, and then pretend they did nothing wrong and it's shocking and surprising that they got yanked out and arrested. It's all everyone else's fault. Don't be like this guy.
What in the fuck do you think brought about this:
Because if I fucking recall, George Floyd was not fighting back.
So what in the absolute fuck are you talking about?
Yeah, and that's why the cop is in prison right now alongside everyone who was with him that day. That was my point.
Pre-2014, charges for the cops were very rare even when they straight-up just shot somebody for more or less no reason. After that, it was intermittent, until 2020 was the inflection point where charges became practically universal, and also, those big walls of names of people who hadn't done a damn thing who the cops had killed started drying up, because stuff had actually changed.
There's a lot that still needs to change, a lot of bad things baked into the system still. But of course some dickheads can only hold one fairly simple type of world model in their head at one time, and so whenever any type of police interaction goes sideways in any manner, even one like this where it is objectively about 90% the guy in the driver's seat who causes the whole issue in the first place, they start screaming BLACK LIVES MATTER, BLACK LIVES MATTER like that's going to help everything get better.
This guy isn't solving police brutality. He is helping to justify it, by diluting the examples of people who actually didn't do anything, and providing a good example for people who want to say Breonna Taylor deserved it or whatever. Stop making him out as making some bold anti-racist stand because of what some other people did, successfully.
He didnt do anything wrong - he was entirely within his rights to ask for a supervisor.
Holy shit.
I dont think I have any capacity to put up with someone so painfully and wilfully fucking ignorant.
Absolutely (although they're not obligated to fulfill the request... a lot of departments will, partly because when the stop is getting complicated they may want a supervisor to show up there anyway.) But anyway, that doesn't absolve him of the requirement to provide an ID. He was arrested for failing to provide the ID, not for asking for a supervisor. Asking for the supervisor was a-OK, and if he'd done that while handing over his ID, he would have been fine.