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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Mandated, unconditional individual rights ARE collective rights and also human rights.

You also appear to no know the definition of Capitalism because if Capitalism is not a regulated Market System then the USA is also not a capitalism. Not surprising since you people use it as a dog whistle to mean "western nation" that you lack understanding of what it actually means.

[–] anarchiddy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Mandated, unconditional individual rights ARE collective rights and also human rights

Not when those rights are in conflict with another individual's. The classic example is the individual right to private property, but there are many others. American liberals do recognize these limits and contradictions, but accept as granted the right to private property. It's the center tenet of leftist critique, so it makes a lot of sense why there's a lot of cynicism about liberals claiming to occupy the same space. Sure, they have some overlap, but the main contention is left unaddressed by American liberals and so leave themselves open to derision.

if Capitalism is not a regulated Market System then the USA is also not a capitalism

It's a type of regulated market system, but it's defined by its mode of production being capitalist in nature. Socialist and communist systems still employ regulated markets, but collectivize ownership over productive capital instead. Abolishing capitalism isn't a way of saying we should abolish markets, but to remove capital as the mode of production

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

If rights to one person contradict the rights of another, resulting in loss and harm then guess what? Individual rights aren't being mandated and upheld and that's not Liberalism.

Socialist and communist systems still employ regulated markets, but collectivize ownership over productive capital instead.

No, they don't, because that has never existed and will never if you keep bending over backwards to dictators.

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