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https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-unrwa-funding-already-halted-2024-not-by-trump-2025-order-2025-01-28/
Entirely performative sanctions on a handful of individual settlers does not materially help Palestinians at all.
What does this even mean, what are you referring to?
While continuing to provide as many weapons as Israel needed. Not a single Palestinian life was saved by this entirely performative gesture.
https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-unrwa-funding-already-halted-2024-not-by-trump-2025-order-2025-01-28/
Israel already was receiving all the weapons it needed under Biden.
Bullshit; Netanyahu already had those plans drawn up under Biden.
Bullshit. Show your evidence or admit you're actively lying.
No, you just stopped ignoring how bad it was under Biden.
What nonsense. Biden already had the gas pedal on the floor when Trump got in.
Bullshit. You were just a denialist when Biden was in.
Yes. You objectively are.
You literally have not pointed out a single way in which Trump is "hugely substantively worse". You've pointed to one thing that was straight up false, two that are completely insubstantial, and then just endlessly asserted that things are so much worse in Gaza based purely on vibes.
Fuck off, genocide apologist
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-56665199
https://www.unrwausa.org/unrwa-usa-press-releases/2021/04/07/unrwa-usa-welcomes-biden-administrations-reengagement
I didn't know he'd stopped it in late 2024, so fair enough. Seems like more of his support for genocide, sure. Trump still made what had been a temporary shutdown permanent.
Probably true. How does refusing to vote for Democrats help Palestinians at all? If that's the metric.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-resumes-humanitarian-aid-delivery-gaza-repaired-pier/
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-airdrop-humanitarian-assistance-f8bc071193f89906abf21478bc70a084
That stuff's not really enough. Stopping the killing is what's needed, and Biden never did that. My point is that he directly provided humanitarian aid. That's citations for when he directly provided humanitarian aid.
You mentioned a couple of times that "not a single Palestinian life" was saved by various performative gestures. Sure. The humanitarian aid probably saved some Palestinian lives. Can you really not see the difference between these pitiful efforts, and what Trump is doing?
Here's what Statista says:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1616501/monthly-gaza-fatalities-injuries/
That shows no real increase in the pace of dying, so according to that, I am wrong. I don't believe it. It looks like that's the Gaza Health Ministry numbers, which are limited to only specific identified people and subject to how much civil organization is still in place to track dying people. I think the pace of death by starvation, disease, and malnutrition has greatly accelerated this year. You're free to say I think that because I was giving a free pass to Biden, I guess, but I anticipate that when people look back at what happened when the flow of food into Gaza was cut off, that will be the beginning of the end. You cannot just not feed an entire population and expect them to live.
Not really.
I was and still am horrified by the genocide happening in Gaza. I was alarmed by Biden's support for it, I was in favor of things like the "uncommitted" movement trying deliberately to put pressure on him. I posted stuff about the horror happening in Gaza throughout. Like I say, I was a mod of a Palestine news community for a while.
I was also even more horrified by the idea of what Trump would do to accelerate it. That's what I kept talking about. This thing where people try to backflip their way around to where that means I'm a genocide denialist or apologist, that I don't really care about Palestinians, as a way of presenting a reality that is totally bonkers when aligned with the facts, but aligns very smoothly with the stuff in their head they're trying to back up or justify, and makes them feel better about their own actions, is totally weird to me.
Maybe there is some kind of way to analyze why people cling to looking at things that way so hard, instead of just coming to grips with the idea that Trump is bad for Palestinians and admitting that it's accurate. IDK, I am too tired to really get into it.
Ok, fuck off then, conversations over. You're just declaring yourself right based on the fact that you think you're right. Pure religious doctrine at this point.
Which you haven't actually been able to find any examples of. That's why you get called a denialist: because you're having to pretend that Biden wasn't already at maximal support for the genocide in order to justify saying "Trump is worse!"
You mean like you rejecting all evidence and just going on pure faith that Biden wasn't as bad for Gaza as Trump?
Oh fuck off; you know damn well that the claim in contention wasn't "Trump is bad for Palestinians". Don't do this dishonest bullshit.
I had a feeling this wouldn't be productive lol
"If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
This you?
(I got the feeling it wouldn't be productive a few messages ago, you didn't like that and got amped up, so fair enough, I went back in and engaged with you factually a little and went point-by-point with some citations, even openly indicating where I couldn't really find evidence of one of my points. You didn't like those responses, and declared yourself the arbiter of whether they were valid and announced that you had won the discussion. Alrighty then. Sounds like our business is concluded. Call me Mr. Anti Semite I guess.)
What a dishonest little worm you are.
Always a fascinating little window into how the lemmy.ml community operates.
I think there are two things at work here:
I think #2 is why the lemmy.ml people tend to self-select themselves into such a tiny community. This place should be the flagship community of the software, but instead it is a kind of pariah community that most of the community actively avoids. Most people like being convinced of something a lot better than they like being ordered what they're allowed to believe and whether or not their current opinions are valid or not (and also assigned some new opinions if they ever disagree with the hivemind), and so they tend to exclude lemmy.ml.
IDK, man. Good luck to you guys figuring it out, I think you will have more ability to influence and communicate if you can get out of these habits.
Yeah, I'm not reading that
https://lemmy.ml/comment/20843440
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Until next time I guess, cheers
Fuck off, genocide apologist
Maybe it is the flagship for the software, but otherwise it really isn’t, nor do we intend for it to be. 2021: What is lemmy.ml?
It’s the second most active Lemmy instance after lemmy.world.
https://join-lemmy.org/instances?topic=all_topics&language=all&scroll=true