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The row centres around the exhibition 'This is Colonialism' and the museum's decision to restrict white people from entering a small section of the display

Police officers are gathered in front of the Zeche Zollern museum in Dortmund, the focus of what social networks are describing as a racism scandal.

The row centres around the exhibition 'This is Colonialism' and the museum's decision to restrict white people from entering a small section of the display. For several months now, Saturdays at the museum have been reserved for black people and people of colour to explore a colonialism exhibition

The museum claims the objective is not to be discriminatory, but to reserve a safe space for reflection for non-whites.

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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

For several months now, Saturdays at the museum have been reserved for black people and people of colour to explore a colonialism exhibition

Ohhh noo. Anyways...

[–] earthling@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Heaven forbid that us white people feel the tiniest modicum of discomfort. I sincerely hope it'll help foster a sense of empathy for those that continue to suffer real substantive harm.

Also, I find it pretty unlikely that the people who would cry about this tiny concession are the same people who would be interested in going to this exhibit anyways.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would love to go to an exhibit on colonialism and its vast crimes, and I am upset by the matter on principle. I don't know why everyone is suddenly interested in running apologia for racial segregation.

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not unavailable to you. You can pick literally any other time but that four hours, like any other well adjusted adult would do.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not unavailable to you. You can pick literally any other time but that four hours, like any other well adjusted adult would do.

You would say this, then, about a whites only 4 hours at the same museum, then, right?

[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, as that would be completely ignorant of the contextual reality of the situation.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

'Context' is not a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card. Malcolm X's pre-Mecca racism, for example. was far, far less heinous than the racism of the America he lived in due to context - but that does not mean it wasn't bad. Likewise, othering a race with benevolent intent is still, at its core, othering a race of human beings.

And in any case, the point is meant to refute the idea that "you can pick literally any other time". That you can pick another time does not mean that the circumstances which force you to do so are right. Even if you still think it is correct to continue this practice, that "It's only 4 hours" is not a valid argument regarding whether the principle of the thing is moral or not.

[–] Apollo@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Racism is either wrong or it isn't.

[–] darq@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's massively over-simplified.

Discrimination is bad. But not all discrimination is the same. Ubiquity and power dynamics play a huge role in what makes racism so damaging.

And, unfortunately, sometimes correcting for past discrimination can itself involve discrimination.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's massively over-simplified.

No, it's really not. Racism is either wrong, or it isn't. There's not a middle ground here. That not all incidents of racism are equally bad does not mean any incident, large or small, of racism is not bad.

And, unfortunately, sometimes correcting for past discrimination can itself involve discrimination.

There's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution, as the saying goes. That is precisely why all solutions, even imperfect ones, must be built on solid principles. Affirmative action, for example, is built on solid principles (unless one is some right-libertarian market fetishist, but fuck them), because it seeks the integration and inclusion of all races, even though it currently predominantly benefits non-majority groups. It seeks a better world, a world where people aren't treated differently based on who their parents or grandparents were. Racism based on the idea of inferiority is far worse than racism based on the idea of collective ethnic guilt - but both are still bad. Racism based on collective ethnic guilt is worse than racism based on a simple but fundamental 'othering' of a racial group - but both are still bad.

[–] darq@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Considering that people, incorrectly in my opinion, refer to affirmative action as racism constantly, this seems like an odd comment to square.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's because people are shitheads and I hate them.

Affirmative action is simply the implementation of the view that society should be comprised, in as many areas as possible, of demographics which reflect the demographics of society as a whole - ie that prejudices should not be allowed to dictate the construction of the institutions which rule our daily lives. It does not 'other' anyone - it welcomes them into areas previously closed off. And the principle would, in theory, defend a white minority same as a black or Asian minority. It is a way forward, a better world, a more united world, not a less united one.

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