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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

use truly foss apps. Anything that’s has a corp built around it is going to enshitify

[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 8 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Self-hosting and FOSS are the way to go. We saw this demonstrated when Raspberry Pi started acting stupidly as a company. There are so many alternatives that it is easy to switch. Unfortunately some things are pretty tough to self-host, like email and anonymizing VPN. But there are a lot of low-hanging fruit that makes it less painful to divest from bad companies.

[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I wonder what is going to be Firefox reason to even exist if we already have Chrome and Edge?

[–] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 14 hours ago

It's a generally recognised principle in economics that we want competition to take place, and for consumers to have a choice - for a plethora of reasons too large to list here. The most important IMO is a political one though: we don't want monopolies for the same reason we don't want monarchies and dictatorships. Being the sole provider of any very important product puts an obscene amount of power in the hand of a single corporation (or a handful of them). We never want that much power to be so concentrated in so few individuals, because it's fundamentally injust, and always leads to catastrophe. Also consider that if that power is a corporation or a "private" individual, they're not accountable to anyone but their shareholders (who, in turn never want the corp to be anything other than a money making machine). Even a dictator is more accountable to his subjects than a multinational corporation is to anyone. So there you have it, that's why we need alternatives.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

PLENTY of reasons if they oppose enshitification... but if they embrace it, then yes, they'll just be another pimple in the ass of enshitificated software

[–] Botunda@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Fucking look at YOU Gogole... Do no evil my ass! [youwerethechosenone.gif]

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 14 hours ago

Allows other competitors to exist

Chrome/edge are the same (yes, I know edge is technically better)

If everything only needs to adhere to chromium then chromium can put propriety code that only they are privy to and when web standards are made around it all competition can’t exist

We already have webapps that say they only work on chrome

[–] Darkhoof@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

What happened with Proton?

[–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

The proton CEO praised Donald Trump's choice for who would lead the government's antitrust division, and now most of Lemmy think they're a Nazi company or something.

Just typical cancel culture bullshit. Where people choose to be outraged rather than attempting to understand a situation.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 19 points 14 hours ago

They doubled down by leaving federated services in favor of Reddit, which certainly isn't a great look imo

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree it’s been an extreme reaction. Perfect is the enemy of good. Maybe most proton users will be willing to seek out even lesser known alternatives and even self host. But if you’re going to talk to a casual user about getting off of Gmail and then you say “Oh but not Proton” then they’re just going to stick with Gmail.

[–] Botunda@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

and even self host.

You have a guide about how to self-host an anonymous VPN?

[–] commander@lemmings.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

🤦 To be expected, at this point.

The loyalty the left expects from others but never gives in return is truly a sight to behold. Essentially it boils down to "agree with everything they say and if you disagree with one thing, keep it to yourself or else you're a nazi."

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

The left has always been hindered by the No True Scotsman fallacy.

[–] bennypr0fane@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

The meme makes it seem lime there's some causal relationship though: because we tried to avoid big corp products and dampen enshittification, the alternatives we started to seek are going bad? I don't think so. The world at large is going to shit in a general stream of shitfulness, but I don't think we caused that development by trying to evade the shit.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

It's good to have some variety - after all different things get shitty in different ways.

[–] Katzenmann@feddit.org 15 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I went all-in on proton a few years ago but I dislike the direction in which they are going now. Does anybody have tips on how (and where) to switch smoothly. I could self host email but I've heard that it's a big hassle

[–] frezik@midwest.social 5 points 15 hours ago

I've been eyeing FastMail.

Self hosting is almost impossible with email these days. Places like Gmail and Outlook are going to consider you automatically suspicious until you've proven otherwise. Can't prove otherwise until you have a lot of legit email going through. The only way to do that is to attach the domain to a service that's already proven.

This isn't even getting into the configuration issues of running an email server without it becoming a spam relay as soon as it's turned on.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 14 hours ago

Depends what you want. If you want an experience like Proton with its own app then use Tuta. If you're happy with IMAP with a client like Evolution (Linux) or FairEmail (mobile for Android) or access via a website then mailbox.org are very good.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean, someone made Graphene OS, a fork of Android. Surely someone can also do that for Firefox, right? 👀

[–] NewDay@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

There are several Firefox forks. Waterfox (based in Europe UK), Librewolf, Zen etc.

[–] grepe@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

i switched from firefox to waterfox on my phone and have yet to spot any difference.

i heard some websites might have issues (e.g. web versions of office software) and some settings are missing but in my own everyday use i didn't run into any of those yet.

[–] twoface@sh.itjust.works 4 points 16 hours ago

Just chiming in to recommend Floorp. Have been using it for a few months now and really like it :D

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I tried Zen on Arch. Wouldn't even load pages. I'd avoid it for a while. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Neuropain@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I use Zen on Arch without issue. To be specific it's Arch Wayland with Wayfire.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Ah. I use it on X11/i3.

[–] AdamUllstrom@lemmy.world 9 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I have been loving LibreWolf for a while now. Can really recommend it!

[–] Botunda@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Can you get uBlock and bitwarden on there?

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