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[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (44 children)

I still think the word libertarian should be reclaimed by the left. Fuck the ancaps who took it. Westerners are too scared of it, despite it originally meaning a socialist. Places where white peopl aren't the majority have no issue with the word. My Filipino family understand that liberty is just another word for freedom, but think socialism is just state communism. Socialists will never win against capitalist propaganda without violence. Too many people hate anarchists and "socialists" but are not at all afraid of the principles of anarchist socialism. It needs better branding, and the word libertarians was literally designed for that. And the ignorant western liberals believed them and hate the word libertarian because of it instead of being educated.

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[–] moakley@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I've always considered myself a libertarian, but I'm coming to realize I need to find another word. I used to be able to explain that assholes were ruining the name, but now the assholes outnumber people like me by too much.

I think the real turning point was when Jo Jorgensen said, "It is not enough to be passively not racist, we must be actively anti-racist," and then she had to walk it back because the libertarian party was so fucking racist. Like, that's not even a political statement. It's a moral one, and it's one I agree with.

Then when the Libertarian Party changed their stance on abortion, I was done with them. I clung to the lowercase L label, but at this point it doesn't seem worth it anymore.

I just think the government should be limited to things that only the government can handle. Policing? Roads? Business regulations? Those are all things that can only be handled by the government. Restrictions on what kind of stove I can buy? Restrictions on what I can put in my body or how I dress or what my kids can read at school? Those are all bullshit.

I guess it helps that I align with Democrats on most of the major issues now, but I still won't consider myself a Democrat.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Stoves are a great example of why the richest among us want to push libertarianism. You see the freedom to buy a gas stove. They see the freedom to make products that are one penny cheaper but kill their users.

Libertarianism and anarchism in general fail to account for sociopaths who are willing to make others suffer for their own gain.

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[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Conservatives didn't ruin libertarianism. Libertarianism has always been bad.

Restrictions on what kind of stove I can buy?

Stuff like this is a perfect example of the issues with libertarian ideology. They want freedom to continue to destroy the environment.

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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Another massive W for Thought, the chief glory of mankind.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The vast majority of self identifying Libertarians are actually wealthy fascist bootlickers.

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