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[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Regulations, and safety laws, and labor laws are WRITTEN IN BLOOD. People have literally died for every regulation we have on the books, it’s WHY the laws were written

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Corporations wont let us have Medicare for All - why? Why do they ALL lobby so hard against it? It would make their costs cheaper, right? They wouldn't have to pay for our health insurance. Plus we could get medicines so we can be at work more instead of home sick or spreading sickness at work. So it must not be cheaper in some way for them to have Medicare for All - right? Why do they think it would be more expensive for THEM if we all had public health care?

Because that would detect cancer (and toxins) and allow us to class action sue companies for them. Can't sue if it was never detected. Thats why they find carcinogens and lead in kids’ products so much - their products dont have more lead in them, but kids all can be on Medicaid and that catches it. Flint, MI, water poisoning was detected by a kid on Medicaid.

They don't want us to all have healthcare because that is public science and it will absolutely detect what theyve been lying and poisoning us with. It would probably destroy all the big companies like Nestle, Johnson&Johnson, Colgate, etc...

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Public healthcare also removes one of the few leashes they have on workers to keep them in line. My Father in law used to work at a local retail chain in my area, and the pay was straight dogshit, but the health insurance was phenomenal. It kept many workers from leaving for better paying jobs.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One of the weirdest aspects of America is that we think people whose job is making money for shareholders should have more power than the public servants we, the public, hire to work for us.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think thats just a subset of the whole "Government should be run like a business" mindset.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's a hardline belief that any business is automatically more efficient than government because if it weren't it would die from competition, period, end of story. The real equation is that companies are as inefficient as they can afford to be, and the bigger ones can afford plenty. In one of my jobs my manager gave me maybe 2 or 3 weeks of actual work to do in 6 months. In another my team was told to hold off starting a project because there was a change of plan and they didn't know exactly what they wanted. So we just screwed around for a couple months. I won't say what company but in both cases it rhymed with Bicrosoft.

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[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 95 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Bleach, actually. A small amount of bleach added to spoiled milk makes it taste brand new. The government actually suggested this in a few countries for a while.

Plaster in flour was common enough that after the miller, the middle men, and then the baker all added a cut, there were loaves being sold with less than 20% flour in them. The result was mass malnutrition.

Also, and this is a spicy one but backed by basic economics, regulations are a required element to capitalism. The notion that deregulation is pro capitalism is a misinterpretation of the idea that markets are self regulating. A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations. All our current economic woes are the result of straying away from proven economic theory (mostly deregulation) to the right allowing the corruption of the marketplace and emergence of a strong oligarchy.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations.

We've had numerous laws precisely because companies couldn't play fair, and made things worse for all involved. The government didn't pass laws against company towns, scrip, and predatory pricing because they decided to ban things for fun.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll go extra-spicy and point out that there's no such thing as "ownership" as we know it without government. Legal-wonkishly, ownership is enforceable, transferrable, exclusive title to property. I can "own" land that I'm only physically present on for a few days per year because my name is on a piece of paper in a file cabinet in a government office, and it's backed up by a court system and police force that's constituted and willing to enforce my title.

I just mention it because a lot of the deregulation whiners are the same people as the "taxation is theft" whiners.

[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Oh boy. You struck gold here.

The US Constitution is the highest form of trade pact. That is all the federal government exists for, is to facilitate trade. Catching murderers, building roads, investing in education, stopping infectious disease... All there to keep us working, buying, and trading goods and services because without that whole segments of society starve and start wars.

I love how dumb the anti-taxation argument is because they have zero idea that they wouldn't have any money, or jobs, without the government doing what it does with all that tax money.

Also, never forget that when you work for a wage you are selling your time. Looking at it that way changes how you feel about your life and job. It is 100% a choice that you make because the trade is worth the pay. If not, make yourself more valuable and get out. (It would take too long to explain how that works with disabilities and government aid).

[–] AutistoMephisto@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A free market is one that is free of corruption and unfair business practices. Which cannot exist without regulations and the enforcement of those regulations.

And the truth is that the oligarchs, the established players in the game of capitalism, do not want a free market. They want a market with the illusion of freedom. A free market like the one you describe is, in fact, a true free market. Because then they have to actually compete with new players. Players who don't come from the same backgrounds as the established players. Who may have different beliefs, who might not have the same skin color. Who may have a superior product or service to one or more of the established players. Who are free to sit at the same tables as oligarchs and take up space because their government gives them the power to do so. De regulation gives the illusion of a market being free, by making it so that if you want to be a new player in the game, you can, but unless you pay obeisance to the top players, you're not getting very far. Plus the top players will buy you out, which is essentially them bribing you to walk away from the table.

[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That's why an oligarchy is NOT the same thing as capitalism. You cannot have a free market if an oligarchy exists. Additionally, the four foundational principles of capitalism are:

  1. The right to own property and work for your own well being.
  2. The right to own the profits of your labors, after modest taxation.
  3. Laws and regulations to prevent corruption.
  4. The enforcement of those laws and regulations.

Edit: wow, the spelling errors sure make that seem crazy as hell. Fixed.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

That second paragraph is a pretty concise explanation on why ancaps and their ideas are stupid.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Saw dust was also added to flour. Various heavy metals would be added to food to enhance their color.

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[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Also, and this is a spicy one but backed by basic economics, regulations are a required element to capitalism

Indeed the free market itself has demanded regulations, hence why they exist. And the regulations don't actually per se stop crime, they simply give a quick mechanistic action afterwards to getting retribution when the regulations are violated - they bankrupt corrupt businesses over time.

[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago

Or, they balance the benefits of corrupt practices with equally detrimental (to the corrupt entity) costs. Making them less profitable than fair trade.

[–] 3dmvr@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

is plaster bread low calorie

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[–] VitabytesDev@feddit.nl 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

And if we're all killed, who will the big companies get money from?

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

They will market safe food as a new product and charge you more for food that wont kill you.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Rivers full of industrial waste used to catch on fire, bosses used to lock workers in and let them die in fires(triangle shirtwaist fire),school was only for the wealthy, kids used to work, companies used to poison people en masse and deny it with no consequences(radium girls) work was 12 hours a day 7 days a week(people literally died to change this and trump people voted for this to happen again

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most US foods produced under their 'regulations' are forbidden in EU.
And for good reason.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Now it'll be 10x worse. Just don't eat here and don't buy food from USA. I say this as an American. We are fucked.

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 110 points 4 days ago (6 children)

To continue with the argument of "the market will self-regulate and people wouldn't buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again"

Okay but how many people died, how many people are suffering long-term effects, and what's stopping them from adding a different deadly thing to our food?

[–] spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 4 days ago

To continue with the argument of "the market will self-regulate and people wouldn't buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again"

Turns out the parent company owns every other brand of that product, so going to another brand is meaningless

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 62 points 4 days ago (1 children)

wouldn’t buy that brand anymore so they would never do it again

Assuming there is perfect information in the market. In reality there is heavy information asymmetry.

It also assumes free competition while we have every market dominated by a few players buying up everyone else, often with cartel like behavior.

[–] Robust_Mirror@aussie.zone 36 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It also assumes it is immediately deadly poison, and doesn't do something like cause early dementia 25 years later.

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[–] ApatheticCactus@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Market self regulation assumes informed consumers that are smart enough to know what things mean. Also it assumes healthy competition and companies that are competing to make the best product at the chrapest price. It ALSO assumes brand lotalty isn't a thing, and consumers are judging things purely objectively.

Like, i understand the idea, but in practice there are a ton of caveats.

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[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 86 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 118 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Regulations are written in blood

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 39 points 3 days ago (4 children)

What is so incredible is that we are living st a time with such massive food surplus that it would blow the mind of anyone living in the past... but they will let all of it go to waste and just add bullshit to the food just because they can...

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The absolute surplus afforded to us by modern farming and then the waste of so much of it will never cease to piss me off and will likely piss me off more in the future when we lose it to climate change.

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Old saying "Fire and flight regulations are written in blood." Food regulations are likely written in various excretions?

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

There have absolutely been deaths due to unsafe, mass produced foods.

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[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

I'll never forget this one guy I know complaining about government regulations. Hes unemployed.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

That's just the free market working as intended. Collateral damage.

Maybe people should do research on the available milk brands before giving it to their children if they didn't want them to drink bleach.

Edit: I tried to resist adding the "/s," but we live in crazy (stupid) times, so...

[–] frezik@midwest.social 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

The Free Market (holy be thy name) gives you the choice between $1/bottle for milk with chalk and bleach, or $10/bottle for one with less chalk and bleach. If you want one without chalk and bleach, you'll need to find your own cow.

Also, the cows all have birth defects and need uranium-powered antibiotics to stay alive.

Now, let us open our song books to number 34: "Praise Hayek and His Perfect Mustache".

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[–] Ambiance6195@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

Speaking of Americans, at least half of us are criminally uneducated and watch literally nothing but Fox News. You can't teach them even with indisputable proof. If the talking heads say it's bad, then it's bad.

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 35 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This is true, but it's important to remember that some regulations were not written in blood, but instead in racism - see R1-zoning as one of the most significant examples.

Regulations are just tools, really. They can evidently be used for good, and should be used for good, but some are being used for bad and should be reformed.

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