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Finns became the third most overweight nation of europe in just 10 years (yle.fi)
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[–] miltsi@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

A tldr due to it being in Finnish:

  • Finland was in 15th place in 2014
  • ~1.2 million have over 30 BMI in Finland
  • ~1.2 million have fatty liver, 800k some type of sleep apnea, 500k type 2 diabetes
  • Processed foods and sweets getting more popular are blamed as the reason for this
  • Some experts and doctors recommend a higher taxes on these products, especially sweets (a higher candy tax was supposed to happen this year, but it was lobbied by companies not to); soft drink tax is still planned to get higher this year.
  • Some mentions at the end about Pohjois-Karjala(North Karelia) project. Old project that was done to reduce heart and lung diseases occuring in that municipality by teaching how to reduce salt/fat/smoking. Something similar could be done now in whole Finland
[–] Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The numbers for 2022 if you're interested

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How is the home of pasta and pizza the thinnest place?

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Because as long as you're satiated at a decent calorie level and have a good balance of nutrients, it doesn't matter too much what you eat

Food such as pasta or pizza isn't objectively bad for you. I wonder if people think that because they associate it with being tasty, and think that anything tasty must be bad

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Or because here in the US, pasta is served by the wheelbarrow load at crappy “Italian” restaurants, and soaked in either butter sauce, meat sauce or both. Pizza has gotten so cheesy that you have to ask for light cheese to get what they used to put on it when I was a kid.

[–] PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Don't forget that tons of pizza here has a whole bunch of sugar added to the tomato sauce. Shit is gross!

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Oh yeah, we usually go for store brand for most items but I made the mistake of getting store brand pizza sauce a couple months ago and it was disgustingly sweet. There’s a regional brand that’s really good but only a bit more and completely worth it.

Also pizza was my Covid recipe project. I’ve got a 20 minute dough recipe down and can have pizza ready from scratch in about 35 minutes.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago

I do that: if it's tasty, it's bad. And that makes it even tastier.

[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Pasta has a low calory density. Pizza a bit more because of the cheese. You can eat pasta everyday and stay lean as long as you don't put too much fat on it.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

what is unhealthy about pasta and pizza?

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly, I was told that carbs are bad.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

yeah that's nonsense, carbs are great

like, the alternative is only eating protein and fat, which.. blergh

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Y'all carb-opinionated people get down on a big powwow and decide what's what, then please let me know kindly.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's very very simple: vegetables have carbs, you need vegetables (only way to get fibre, which is very important to gut health), thus the idea that carbs are bad is complete and utter lunacy. Even obligate carnivores will eat plant matter from time to time.

In general if someone tries to tell you a nutrient is objectively bad and can never be good or even acceptable, they're delusional and/or trying to sell you something.
Sugar is the nutrient that is closest to being Bad, but there's still nuance because it's only bad if you eat large amounts of it and don't burn the calories. People doing the Tour De France will literally suck on bags of sugar gel because they need pure energy that goes directly into their bloodstream.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Ok, let's get into my social circle lunacy: one of my neighbors easily weighted like two grown men. Then he claims that through eating a protein-only diet, he halved that (one grown man weight unit).

He definitely looks much better, though I know people should eat their veggies, I can't argue that his approach towards getting skinnier is not working.

He'll eat a big boy's steak and then leave everything else: tatoes, veggies, rice, bread, etc. Ah, and he is still drinking coke (light, zero) as if it is the source of his lifeforce.

I'm still thinking that can't be healthy, but he does look healthier in comparison to morbidly obese.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 34 minutes ago

The only thing unhealthy in your neighbors diet is the sugar substitute in the coke zero. If he reduced his obesity down to a normal weight, his life has massively improved.

should eat their veggies

This is the party line, but its actually up for debate because the actual scientific literature doesn't have evidence that this is necessary.

I’m still thinking that can’t be healthy, but he does look healthier in comparison to morbidly obese.

Carnivores (which it sounds like your neighbor is) tend to be very data focused, ask if he would share his health metrics with you (lipid panel, hba1c, etc)... When you look at those metrics you will have to decide what "healthy" means (what outcomes you care about)

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 hours ago

sounds like they're just eating less, which.. yeah that do be how to lose weight.
he's probably not having much fun on the toilet though, unless he's also taking fibre supplements.

but yeah it's not a good idea, you should be really really really careful about diets that have you eating the same thing often. Diversity in your diet is very important to make sure you get all the nutrients you need and in sensible amounts, as well as avoiding eating too much of any one thing which might cause problems.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Carbohydrates are unnecessary for human health, and while they can be a amazingly huge factor they are not the only factor in obesity.

  • Industrial oils
  • Processed Ingredients
  • Agrochemical contamination of grains

So a Italian dish made in Italy with real olive oil, with organic food not contaminated by pesticides, and not ultra processed could tolerated by a healthy person.

I'm not justifying carbohydrates, just illustrating that there are many overlapping negative factors working against people on the standard western diet.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

all vegetables contain carbs, and you need vegetables to be healthy, thus you need carbs.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 0 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

you need vegetables to be healthy

My reading of the available literature doesn't reach the same conclusion. The Mongols, the Inuit, the Masai are examples of populations that were healthy without any carbohydrates.

I'll agree that vegetables can be part of a healthy lifestyle, but they are not necessary

Edit: Ah, downvoting everything I've posted concerning food in the last 15 days. A tirade of negativity doesn't really communicate the strength of your position.

negativity log https://lemvotes.org/user/Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de

[–] xep@fedia.io 2 points 15 hours ago

Might be worth mentioning that modern wheat and grains aren't the same as older varieties that might've been consumed a century ago. Grains are also affected by the environment they were grown in. This paper touches on the topic and may be interesting reading:

Do ancient types of wheat have health benefits compared with modern bread wheat?

[–] ook@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Article in Finnish.

[–] mang0@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Had no problems translating it with one click using an extension for my browser