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Another Reddit refugee here,

I think we're all familiar with the Karma system on Reddit. Do you think Lemmy should have something similar? Because I can see cases for and against it.

For: a way to tracking quality contributions by a user, quantifying reputation. Useful to keep new accounts from spamming communities.

Against: Often not a useful metric, can be botted or otherwise unearned (see u/spez), maybe we should have something else?

What do you all think?

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[–] meyotch@lemmy.mitchday.com 2 points 2 years ago

Id say no. Karma leads to gamification and gamification leads to enshittification.

I’d rather have lower traffic and higher quality. Karma is of real benefit only to commercial owners, not users.

[–] MrPear@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No, karma is a big contributer to the lesser experience that Reddit offers, while giving nothing useful in return

[–] Billy_Gnosis@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No. There should be no fake internet points at all.

[–] Denuath@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Karma was always so irrelevant for me, I won't miss it.

[–] aeharding@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

It's already exposed in the backend, so apps can display it if they want.

[–] penguinsAreRapists@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

No on karma but I would like to be able to buy and give awards as a way to support this

[–] orientalsniper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Not for me.

[–] OutrageousUmpire@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No. I think the numbers game lowers the level of discourse.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Absolutely. Even when our rational brain jokes about "worthless internet points", our monkey minds see "big number mean me good". I'm man enough to admit it, having a well liked comment feels good. But it's not good for me.

[–] devopspalmer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd say no, I think adding a incentive metric will just cause posted to be reposted and beat to death. Original and thoughtful discussion is better without it IMO

[–] Licensed_to_ill@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I also prefer original content. But maybe we could use some reposters, at least at first, just to get lemmy going and keep things interesting. I don't think there's enough content right now to keep me engaged.

[–] EphemeralSun@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

How would this even be implemented? What's to prevent one user from generating massive amounts of karma on their own instance?

[–] cities@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I thought it did already. what are these voting buttons

[–] MiddleWeigh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is there a way to track it, but not show it? Does that makes sense?

To keep people from farming etc, but to also keep the discussion meaningful?

Tbh I'm also indifferent but I see where your coming from.

I'd like to foster a community where this isn't needed, but people are people.

[–] cultsuperstar@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

No, it's not necessary. Who cares who contributes a lot? If a user cares about karma, then they should just stay at Reddit. We don't need this to be a Reddit clone.

[–] Willer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Mfers arguing whether reddits equivalent of a captcha will affect social interaction.

[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Upvotes and downvotes are nice in that they suggest that I'm not posting or commenting into the void.

I'm not overly interested in my grand total.

[–] joroo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't think we should. I think we should get rid of (visible) up- and downvotes all together. There are too many online spaces where you can get status from likes or upvotes. Let this be a space without all that.

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[–] Jcb2016@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Nope, it's fine the way it is right now. if its on the front page good. if not people gotta earn there upvotes. Karma whoreing makes it a competion for everyone. Everyone will be out for themselves and it will turn into reddit.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

I'd rather not have karma at all; or at the very least they should try something different instead of just copying what reddit did.

Some servers already decided to disable either the system completely or just the downvotes.

[–] Cybermass@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think instead of karma we should have an activity and age metric, a badge or something showing how many months/years your account has existed, and an activity metric like posts&comments/day so that it's easy to tell an old, regularly active account from a young account that is spamming a a bunch of comments per day.

[–] squaresinger@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

We already have that. Just press a user's name and then you can see all that.

You, for example, created 3 posts, 31 comments and have been on lemmy for ~2 weeks now.

[–] Geek_King@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I say no, it was ripe for abuse, with karma farming bots which get sold to entities looking to influence and astroturf a platform.

[–] andobando@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nah I dont even like visible upvotes/downvotes. Just incentives the complementary wrong mindset for healthy discussions.

Your reputation should be what people know of you not points.

[–] EtherWhack@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I would say something akin to what the name "karma" implies, but not something that can be farmed or botted. Almost like a rating that could factor in multiple different stats; like age of account, posts and/or comments per day, the overall positive/negative rating of said comments, post size, etc... And, it could all be consolidated into some sort of percentage and history graph or something. It would have to be actively developed and debated on to what works and doesn't work.

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