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It happened today: Youtube no longer works on Librewolf for me. (quokk.au)

submitted 1 week ago by PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au to c/privacy@programming.dev

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Presumably, there is some kind of way I can work around it, I saw something about clearing the cache because of stored failures of handshaking, but it seems like on the whole maybe it is time to start fuckin' with Peertube or something instead.

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[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Youtube recently (as in last week) has been fuckin around with stuff to try and kill adblockers again, which means basically anyone using nonstandard browsers, VPNs, pihole/adguard dns, etc are having issues. Even some people who are using legit clients but just have an old oauth token (like phone users who logged in 2 years ago)

google will inconvenience 70% of their user base to kill adblockers (temporarily, bc I’ve already gotten ytplus working again without even needing a new build ha)

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I actually used to pay for YouTube Premium for quite a while. It was $7/month and I split it with someone so it cost me $3/month to eliminate the very slightly annoying ads, which was well worth it.

Since then, they've taken a hard right turn down Shitty On Purpose Lane, I've long since stopped paying them, and after the most recent round of making the ads ten times worse a few months ago, I pretty much only use Librewolf unless I am for some reason watching it on my phone.

I feel like Google has completely forgotten the concept that made them the only successful search engine, all those ancient years ago. It's okay. The world doesn't mind teaching lessons again, in my experience.

[–] Libb@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I actually used to pay for YouTube Premium for quite a while. It was $7/month and I split it with someone so it cost me $3/month to eliminate the very slightly annoying ads, which was well worth it.

I could have written that. I was fine with paying for YT, even though they asked too much to my taste I paid for years, but I decided their attitude was way too hostile (and too dumb) and decided to cancel my Premium membership.

I watch a lot less YT nowadays, like a lot, and I do it on Waterfox with those extensions: uBO + SponsorBlock (and YT Enhancer). So far, beside a few slow downs and the occasional refusal to play a video, it seems to be working fine.

[–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I stopped paying the very second they looped in Google play music. I have zero need for a bundle, YouTube. Zero. Give me my cheap ad removal back for your already exorbitant rate. I know you're not making more than a quarter a month off of even the users watching every ad.

[–] Scoopta@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

YTM has basically always been bundled with premium. They recently raised the prices for grandfathered users but at the time the YTM bundle was introduced the premium price did not increase IIrc.

[–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It did increase the price, it went from 7.99 to 12.99 in my area with a brief "grandfather" period they were very quick to remove. It was also not called YouTube music at the time but Google play music. They also used to have a feature that allowed you to upload your own library of music for streaming along side their digital library which they removed with the switch to YouTube music. Very annoying because you could manually patch the holes in their licensing agreements, include local unknown bands in your library, and edits or mixes of songs you preferred. It was a dark time at the Google graveyard that hit me so hard I switched to iPhone.

[–] Scoopta@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes I know what Google play music was, I used it in HS...I also have had premium since it was launched as YT red. I don't recall the price ever being $8 though. It was $10 at launch and it's always included the music for that price. The hike to $14 had nothing to do with music. I'm in the US though so maybe regions are different? I had my $10 price for years after the price increase...only somewhat recently did they bump me to the new price.

I did some looking online and red launched alongside YTM for $10/mo in October 2015.

[–] Ptsf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm in the US as well, Iowa. Youtube premium no ads was $7.99 at launch. Eventually they bundled in gpm and increased it to 12.99 at which point I canceled. This was just prior to the rollout of ytm. If they A/B tested my area I've no idea, but I'm not incorrect. I literally just checked my email receipt.

[–] Scoopta@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Well, I don't know then, this is super odd because here's the wayback for the launch of YT red and it says $10/mo with GPM included. The earlier pages archived all say "coming soon" and this time frame lines up with wikipedia's launch date as well as the prices listed on wikipedia. I really don't understand what's going on here then https://web.archive.org/web/20151031015519/youtube.com/red

EDIT: I just went and found my sign up confirmation from 8/1/2017 and the price was $10/mo and included YTM

[–] IceFoxX@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

revanced youtube. or if rooted dwvice in combination with detach. no ads no shorts no limits for background playing etc.

[–] CrazyHorse@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 week ago

Not surprising as Google is an advertisement company. Don't know why people who hate ads still bother with them.

[–] yuri@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago

i’m on revanced and haven’t experienced any interruptions. every time they “crack down” it ends up being mostly overspray.

[–] kyub@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Doesn't have to mean much at all: https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#im-getting-sec_error_ocsp_server_error-what-can-i-do

Since I also get these from time to time with similar setups, I usually just switch browsers temporarily (after some time it will probably work again). Since my setup uses 3 browsers regularly, it's no big deal for me. It also rarely occurs so it's only very mildly annoying. As usual, with a more secure setup you will automatically get a couple of usability issues as well. Can't change that, it's like a law of physics. If it annoys you too much, you have to disable this security feature in the browser settings.

[–] ignirtoq@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

We enable OCSP in hard-fail mode, meaning that if the revocation status of a certificate cannot be verified because the CA cannot be reached, then it will be treated as broken.

The fact that not every application that uses TLS certificates does this blows my mind. Certificate revocation should be a valid tool to deal with the compromise of cryptographic credentials, but if applications don't check, then they're opening themselves (and their users) up to a security vulnerability.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 2 points 1 week ago

Honestly, the chain of trust model for TLS certificates is just broken from top to bottom in practice. It's sort of along the lines of "anyone could walk past the building / into the apartment building basement and start flipping switches or fucking things up with the HVAC system" / "paper checks can be forged by anyone who cares" type of thing: It's mostly just that no one cares enough to exploit the problems with it. But yeah, for anyone who takes seriously things like CA root certificates staying secure and is bothered when they're not, they basically spend their entire time that is thinking about it being bothered by it, because right now it's all broken.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 2 points 1 week ago

Hm, yeah, it works again now. Coming as it does after I got some kind of warning on a Google service a couple of days ago, Hey warning! Your browser is unsupported, please switch to Chrome! (and then a hidden button that took some digging, to bypass the warning and just let me use the site), I assumed some kind of fuckery.

I still do, actually, I think probably even if solved this is the cue to look into doing something else...

[–] miked@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I've been using the Invidios front end for YouTube with Librewolf. Worked fine last night.

[–] callyral@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

maybe it is time to start fuckin’ with Peertube

huh, i just had that thought recently, but i don't know any instances and i'd rather not pick one at random

[–] artiman@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

peertube.wtf is a good one

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago

I’m currently watching YouTube on LibreWolf and have been all day. I’m on Windows 10, though. Our Linux box has been playing vids all day too, but that’s Firefox+uBlock.