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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 116 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Wow Belgium, I thought you were a bit cooler than that

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago (7 children)

People, including many Europeans, make a lot of assumptions about Europe.

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US. That gives them bad ideas. European countries have more solid social safety nets, more accessible and cheaper health care and education, more developed and usable public transport systems, ...

On other issues like immigration or racism, they are on a MAGA-level. There is no big controversy because it is widely taken for granted that European nations are ethno-states. This is less so in the former colonial powers Britain and France. But they have their own baggage that gnaws at them from within, just like the history of racial segregation undermines the USA.

Another area where Europe is just different from the US is freedom of information. It's just not respected in the same way. Intellectual property, on the other hand, is held in much higher regard. That's how it has been for a long time.

Now that the copyright industry is waging an all-out lobby battle against citizens, you can expect much more like this.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Americans in particular seem to assume that issues fall along the same political Dem/Rep divide as in the US.

Yes. As someone who grew in Russia, if I'd talk freely and casually about politics in the way we do here, with Americans IRL nearby, I'd probably be literally lynched regardless of those being majority Democrat or majority Republican minded, and if those Americans were sufficiently inattentive, even by a mixed crowd. Things associated with freedom and dignity and just human treatment of each other here are associated with fascism there, and the other way around. And it's very counterintuitive. And also honestly Americans and continental Europeans (but not Brits) generally feel more like peasants with pitchforks than like Russians, in every political-minded discussion. It really feels that they'd be perfectly fine with everyone disagreeing being relocated six feet under, and the purpose of the discussion is usually to let you atone and ask for mercy. Despite all the stereotypes about Russians, this is not the case here, you might get insults, but not that heavy unwillingness to accept your side's existence.

Though that was 10 years ago, now in the Russian-language space there's much wariness of propaganda and legal problems for speech and so on, so people speak less freely, while a loud minority of bootlickers likely outside Russia repeat some combination of American points, more similar to a Republican set, but at the same time certain they'd be loved by Democrats. It's weird.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago

The billionaires are the real enemy, regardless of what flag flies over your land, and they're trying like hell to make sure no one realizes it is the billionaires everywhere that are not only happy to see, but in many cases actually behind all of this chaos and strife. War is good for business, we are cannon fodder for their ambitions. The story hasn't changed in centuries, only the dollar figures involved have.

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[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't think anyone has ever thought Belgium was cool. Been to Brussels plenty of times and I think it might be the least cool city in all of Europe. Except for FOSDEM of course. That is pretty damn cool.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Oh really? I always liked Brussels as a typically modern European city: a nice combo of old and new, friendly locals plus it's nice and walkable and has a decent variety of food options, though Bruges has them beat on walkability.

Plus they have a lot of great beer and the mitreillette, what's not to like?

I've definitely been a few places I'd rank lower anyway

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago

Bruges is a museum.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That does it, I'm not having waffles anymore

[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Classic waffles are way better than those belgium giant ass ridges cant even hold the melted butter and high fructose corn syrup aunt jemima in one bite .

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[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago (4 children)

That be the country where the king records a "happy psychopath"-style videos where he talks with his subjects over video calls on a smartphone. Everything clean, bright smiles, the subjects' selection is properly racially diverse. And you can just feel how with everything so perfect something is wrong, like - why that session of short video calls of the monarch with random (but very proportionally selected and similarly clothed in style) people even happens? What is it intended to show, that the king has empathy for every person? Were I a citizen of Belgium, I'd prefer the king to not care and tend to his garden instead. This feels so glowing and fake that one can't help thoughts like "what if the king actually eats children for breakfast".

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also he killed someone while drunk driving in the ardennes.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 week ago

Things like that have never disqualified kings, though

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[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 45 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Is there any European nation that favors freedom of press?

I was planning on emigrating there, due to LGBTQIA+ rights, metros, and elevation. But this has soured my choice.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd say that European nations have a different understanding of press freedom. Mind that the individual nations have different attitudes toward this.

In Germany, press means mainly newspapers. The publishers owning these papers are very keen on copyright enforcement. Copyright does conflict with freedom of information but, I think, most would not see a conflict with press freedom.

The EU is determined to regulate who is allowed to use data for what purpose and to create the legal tools to enforce that. That's not limited to copyright. I'm very worried about that trend on many levels.

But I don't think Yuri creators will face problems in most EU countries in the foreseeable future.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

But blocking Anna's Archive, Libgen, OceanofPDF, Z-Library, and the Internet Archive's Open Library is such a terrible way to express that you hate press.

Science and academics should be freely pressed, without the authoritarianism of copyright. If my yuri koma was discussing prion synthesis, one shouldn’t deter me for referencing the journal.

[–] General_Effort@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes. It is a big problem for Europe. I don't expect that it will be fixed in the foreseeable future. In fact, it is being made worse in many ways.

You may reference and quote journal articles. That's something I expect will stay allowed.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So you're saying not even Norway will free press😭

[–] possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Norway killed a walrus bc it was sinking boats by sitting on them :(

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 4 points 1 week ago

😭 the walrus did nothing wrong😭
down with capitalism!✊🏿🦭

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

You can see how trully Freedom-loving mainstream Liberal parties are, even in Europe, by looking at the domains were Freedom Of Ideas clashes with Ideas As Property such as science publishing: almost all of those "Liberal" mainstream parties side with the Owner Class in expanding and increasing enforcement of the "though shall not share without paying" Intellectual Property laws that let some make money of something they are only able to own due to such laws (those laws are literally anti-natura in that ideas are naturally shared), rather than with the natural freedom of sharing.

The way States support and impose Intellectual Property is really just a facet of the broader societal problem of politics in Capitalist nations (even those disguised as "Democracy") not really working for the many.

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[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

you can't just emigrate to somewhere. (are you nihon jin?)
Curious about your elevation point, since we (with NL) are called the low countries.
Flat as a pancake except for some Ardennes, which are nice.
If it's for climate stuff you should know this means we are on or just above sea level, and some even below.
We do get high a lot tho.

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[–] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

In The Netherlands we still have a freedom of press: https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/media-en-publieke-omroep/persvrijheid-bewaken and we are also progressive on the LGBTQ+ front.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (6 children)

LOL Try saying something about Palestine

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[–] KumaSudosa 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'd expect it to be cracked down entirely within the next 2-3 years. The EU has wet dreams of absolute control

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[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In France, you have the choice between public press (depending a lot on the president in place thanks to his tax cut), you have capitalist propaganda, more or less obviously fascist, and that's it for the TV. On the web you have Blast, le Média, Frustration Magasine, or Humanity in paper if you want leftist media.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I’m aware of French freedom to be lynched. I’m asking if there are freer nations I can write yuri in, that won't persecute my sapphic heart🧡🤍💜.

[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I guess Yuri is good for now. Just don't get your hopes to high, 2027 election will be a weird ride I guess

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then I'll be voting extremely anarchistic once I emigrate, and repeal these authoritarian laws.

I had considered Norway, until they signed WIPO.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

193 countries have signed WIPO, and those that haven't generally have political problems or are third world, unfortunately I don't see a way out of that one if you don't want to compromise something else for it

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 6 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Intellectual property is stupid, but I don't know why you would blame belgium especially here. The whole world signed threaty regarding copyrights.

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[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 33 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Belgium can go fuck itself with all the waffles and chocolate it exploits from other countries.

[–] YknsNMo000@thelemmy.club 14 points 1 week ago

Waffles did nothing wrong :(

Copyright is stupid everywhere

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Plus its pedos.

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[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

EU used to be cool I guess.

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Just checked, indeed blocked.
Another new warning page.
We had the Russian, Chinese, etc... censorhip page.
The dubious porn or drugs warning page.
And now this, the 'forbidden' page mentions illegal gambling sites for some reason.

[–] bryndos@fedia.io 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To think about it ... "major shadow libraries". That's something wrong now.

So - there was a liberal (bourgeois) revolution, there was a labor revolution, and now, I think, we must have another revolution. The word "libertarian" is unfortunately associated with ancap, despite being the same as "anarchist", which is unfortunately associated with ancom. And the word "democratic" has lost any meaning it had.

So they'll have to invent some new term.

But the time is nigh.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Post-ironic anti-centrist

[–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

FYI Belgian "site blocks" are still just simple DNS blocks at the ISP level.

You can easily get around it by using any of the well known public DNS resolvers.

Cheatsheet:

Google: 8.8.8.8
Cloudflare: 1.1.1.1
Quad9: 9.9.9.9
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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Don't they have anything better to do ?

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