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I don't remember what caused the Voat's origin, except it involved Reddit HQ. And then it went under in 2020.

What's different about this time and with Lemmy to make it a feasible alternative to Reddit? Is it random chance?

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[–] Antik@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

~~Trump~~ Traitor supporting subs have already been called out and others urged to defederize with them (is that the right phrasing? I'm still new to this).

For that reason alone, I feel like Lemmy will-at the very least--last longer than Voat as a viable reddit alternative.

[–] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] ImPastaSyndrome@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] st3ph3n@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Defenestrate them!

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[–] tymon@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

Voat was a racist, fascist hell-hole where the most terminally-online and unlikeable people on the internet were corralled together. It was the social equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel.

Lemmy seems to be insulated from Voat's fate because it was a hard left-turn in the face of a platform implosion.

[–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I quess it'll be Lemmy/Kbin, or at least for me. What is voat? ;) (never heard of it until this post)

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Voat originally emerged in 2015 during the height of the Ellen Pao scandal that swept Reddit, and quickly garnered some Reddit refugees, particularly those from /r/fatpeoplehate, a subreddit dedicated to hating on the obese.

It almost died that year for three key reasons:

  1. Hosting morally repugnant legal grey-area content which was previously purged from Reddit, such as creepshots and jailbait. This not only drove users away but also made advertisers, payment processors and other stakeholders drop the site very quickly. /r/shitredditsays were a key player in getting companies like PayPal and Stripe to blacklist them.
  2. Server instability. Crashes were frequent and the site went through significant downtime because it had received the Reddit hug of death.
  3. The moment Ellen Pao was forced to resign and Steve Huffman was sworn in as CEO, everybody flocked back to Reddit thinking the day had been saved.

Voat soon became a vessel for Reddit's undesirable communities that Spez had purged. The moment he banned subreddits like /r/n*****, /r/c***town and other subreddits dedicated to glorifying racial hatred, they flocked to Voat and turned it into a white supremacist hellhole. Another thing that spurred the change was Stormfront (a white supremacist/neo-nazi forum) being cut off by their hosting provider.

What ultimately killed the site was COVID-19. A major investor in the site pulled out during the pandemic and after months of failing to secure funding, the owner just gave up and closed the site down on Christmas Day, 2020.

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[–] calvin@lemmy.todayyoutomorrow.me 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Voat was a replica of Reddit in design. One centralized server. We would have ended up in the same crappy place even if that were a success because at some point they would have wanted to monetize it also.

You have to do some reading and learn about the technology behind Lemmy and federation to understand.

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[–] IsThisLemmyOpen@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

No, because Lemmy is not a platform, its a software that can be run on a server, and that server running the code is called an instance. The instance is where the platform is. An instance can communicate with other instances, which is called federation. Instances that are deemed problematic by another instance owner can become "defederated" meaning communication is cut off. One well known instance being defederated is lemmygrad.ml, which is an instance that promotes authoritarian-left political views. Another instance is exploding-heads.com (don't know if I spelt it correctly, I don't care), which has far-right content.

TLDR: Lemmy is not a singular platform, but an interconnected network of servers (instances). Lemmy will not "die" anytime soon, but certain instances can die.

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[–] mookulator@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

People seem super jazzed about the decentralized nature of Lemmy and other stuff in the “fediverse”. I don’t really understand how it works but it seems cool that Lemmy isn’t a single company/website. Can’t have a power tripping CEO or a board that panders to shareholders that way.

[–] V699@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People over complicate federation. I write federated software so lemme break it down. Federation just means data sharing. When you post something on a federation enabled website it sends a copy of your post to everyone who follows you and tells their service to store your data in their database in addition to their own data. What this means is that you can't just blow up a server to shut it down because everyone in the game has a copy.

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[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (12 children)

There was one Voat. When the one Voat goes bust, Voat goes bust. Like any enterprise, it's failure can be attributed, at least in part, to poor management.

There are many Lemmy's. If one Lemmy collapses, another Lemmy can take its place. The individual instances might be less stable than a centralized social media site, like Voat was, but when federated the whole unit is more resilient than centralized social media.

[–] Hypx@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

The problem was that Voat wanted to be something like Truth Social. Basically, a right-wing version of Reddit. That simply wouldn't work, not even as a distant second.

[–] VentraSqwal@links.dartboard.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The one problem with this is that most of the content does seem to be pretty centered on only a couple instances (lemmy.world mostly, with some also scattered in beehaw.org, Lemmy.ml, and sh.itjust.works). If one of those goes down, especially lemmy.world, it will cripple this place pretty bad. Maybe if we one day get a way to backup or export user profiles and communities to other instances, but until then, I think this place has a centralization problem brewing as well.

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The thing is, the concern people have with lemmy.world is the same concern we used to have with lemmy.ml. The question of how big an instance ought to be is still unanswered. Maybe lemmy.world is below that level and people will naturally shy away from it once it gets there. On top of that, limited resources on the side of instance owners will drive decentralization. For example, Lemmy.ml shut its doors to new users once it became overloaded. Similar things could happen in the future.

Even if a major instance did go down, we'd just lose the content. The people, for the most part, would migrate to whatever new instances sprung up to replace it.

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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Most definitely!

I was one of the first users on voat and one of the first banned users on voat. It had horrible admins who were way out of their depth and a posting system that could be exploited. If your account reaches a certain amount of downvotes, it is automatically locked, meaning that bands of users travel from profile-to-profile, destroying any other profiles they dislike.

also, the lack of diversity killed Voat, having nothing but Neo-Nazi and extremist content. This is still a problem that Lemmy faces, where instead of dealing with disagreeable speech, it's easier to defederate whole instances.

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