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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

No, it wouldn't. Gotham is thoroughly corrupt and the money would never have been used to do anything good.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

"Gotham is so corrupt all the money would be wasted."

That's fine. Wealth inequality on that scale is evil and corrosive to society. It would be better to do something productive with it, but setting the money on fire would still be better than letting billionaires like Wayne hoard it.

The joker was totally based with his cash pyre in Dark Knight.

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I should stop coming to these threads. At the end of the day, Batman is rich by day and personally fights crime at night. Everything else is just added on to make that premise work. It feels like a bit of a Thermian argument ("she's naked because she breathes through her skin")

Edit: there's also something interesting to say about why "comic book" means "superheroes" in the US but "Donald Duck/Tintin/Astérix" in Western Europe

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

True. That is indeed very interesting. Although not limited to comic books. You can spot a similar pattern in movies too. Somehow, in America, the films to become the most popular (or most successful) mostly featured themes portraying powerful people in a positive light, directly or indirectly. While in Europe this trend never really took root.

In a classic, underdeveloped autocracy, the answer would surely be blatant censorship and prosecution of authors portraying different views. However, the American mechanisms for accomplishing the same goals are considerably more complex and intricate. That is, assuming there was or still is such a mechanism, as I'm not sure we can say that definitely. Perhaps it was all just a natural process of people preferring the easier, more convenient narratives?

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 3 points 6 days ago

It's the neoliberal tale of individual responsibility. It translate too well into power worship.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago
[–] Johanno@feddit.org 14 points 6 days ago

Gotham city has a prison that is corrupt like hell. The joker stays in it just for fun. He seems to be able to leave at any time.

Next Gotham city has a crime spawner. For no reason at all crimes seem to happen.

Badman should first fight the corrupt officials and raise a new administration for the city before he fights the low criminals.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

‘Wayne foundation’

It doesn’t look like a lot of people even read the comic books before forming these opinions about his storyline.

[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Do his taxes have plot armor?

[–] SARGE@startrek.website 131 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Men will LITERALLY construct an entire persona based around their phobias as a result of trauma over witnessing the murder of their parents during a mugging orchestrated by crime bosses and spend millions of dollars on toys and gadgets to act out revenge fantasies and calling it vigilante justice rather than go to therapy.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

God forbid a man has hobbies

[–] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Bruce Wayne goes to therapy, not Batman, it's different (canonically).

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 week ago (4 children)

So uh … his therapist must suck for not treating that borderline Personality Disorder and uncovering his dissociative identity disorder

Given that the most successful therapists in Gotham are people like Dr. Harleen Quinzel, I'm not confident they can overlook their own issues.

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

I remember in some of the animated series that he would go to therapy but was not open and putting up his playboy billionaire persona. Honestly it seemed like a waste of a time for him if he wasn't being honest, unless it was to keep up appearances. Closest I think he gets to actual therapy is talking to Alfred.

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 74 points 1 week ago (8 children)

This thread is full of people who have never read Batman comics.

Gothman is literally cursed from head to toe to be the way it is.

Batman is effectively sisyphus in that regard.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Lmao, im gonna leave it.

Gothman is a meme in my friend group. He is effectively sad batman, a regular goth guy, and a visigoth all at the same time or which he ever needs to be at the time.

He may not be the meme we deserve, but he is the one that we need to burn Rome.

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[–] person___man@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Not only that, most fully realized versions of the character channel both the vigilante AND playboy personas to fight crime, using Wayne Enterprises to create welfare programs and jobs so Gothamites need not resort to crime to put food on the table.

There’s a scene where Batman pacifies a room of Black Mask goons without lifting a FINGER - he hacks the projector screen simply shows them a Wayne Foundation advertisement for better, safer jobs. One by one, every man simply drops their weapons and walks out the door as their crime boss irately yells at them to come back.

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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I haven't even read Batman, but I've seen this same thread pop up enough times to know that:

  1. Gotham is literally cursed

  2. Gotham is extremely corrupt. Tax money wouldn't go where it needs to

  3. Bruce Wayne bankrolls tons of social programs

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's cursed because comic writers couldn't come up with a better way to explain why the city can't be fixed by the world's smartest billionaire.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The city can't be fixed because then there wouldn't be any more stories for them to write.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Sure, but "cursed" is lazy and raises a lot of questions.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's a comic book, I don't know what makes curses "lazy". Also the much more important factor is the deep corruption.

[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

I say it was a process of elimination.

In a world in which heroes like Superman, the Flash, Wonder Woman, Cyborg, and Doctor Fate exist, your city has to be freaking cursed to keep getting all those cases of mental illness and corruption, keeping the city from really ever improving.

Organizations like the League of Assassins and the Court of Owls alone wouldn't cut it. Detective heroes would unravel their plans. Tech heroes would root their data out. Magical heroes would counter their spells, fast and strong heroes would weed out the thugs, henchmen, and mercenaries.
Eventually, it would get more under control, like Metropolis, Star City, Central City, or Keystone City.
They would need something so ingrained in the city that nobody can really ever remove it to get to the high levels of madness and crime you get in Gotham.

So at some point, a writer had to give up, throw their hands up in the air, and go "then... then... it's freaking cursed!"

And then you watch the God/King of Cities talk with the avatar Gotham (Stormwatch #3), and it's a freaking gargoyle talking about "the madness in me", while Paris and Metropolis are just human-like women.

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago
[–] decipher_jeanne@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 week ago (7 children)

We are assuming that somehow if Wayn pays large sums of wealth to the government, the government wouldn't just be their usual wasteful, corrupt, self serving self with said money. You get every current billionaire in the USA to pay a fair tax. Where do you think the money goes? Funding for food stamps or Lockeed-Martin?

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Also in the DC universe, the equivalent of Lockeed-Martin is Wayne Enterprises. There's stories where Bruce is conflicted in making weapons, but nonetheless, his fortune is built on the military industrial complex.

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[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 week ago (8 children)

isn't a big part of the whole setup that this would not help much? like Gotham is just too corrupt, whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they're mostly just stolen from.

Wayne is a philanthropist who gives a ton of money back through his own programs, right? presumably better overseen than the government ones.

I don't know how much money of Wayne's is actually used for philanthropy, but he can't just give the city all his wealth because it's too corrupt for it to be used well, right?

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago

whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they’re mostly just stolen from.

I'm reminded of the time Walgreens reported they were raising prices and closing stores because of rampant crime, but later admitted they made it the fuck up.

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[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh you're saying we should tax wealth, and we should not tax work.

For a second I thought you were saying "taxing wealth does not work" like a tribal. Few word sometimes do trick.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In the Batman Year 1 comic the thing that makes the police believe there really is a 'Bat-Man' is when he attacks a fancy dinner party and warns Gotham's movers and shakers that justice is coming for them, too.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, it's pretty clear Gotham was full of corruption from top to bottom, which pushed him into becoming Batman. Philanthropy would just fuel the corrupt politicians into funneling money to the crime bosses, and taking a cut. Probably if he started a soup kitchen and was on the ground getting people out of poverty, he would achieve improvement, but when the police, courts, and politicians are on the crime bosses payrolls, funding those institutions more will not solve Gotham's problems

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