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Turns out, Capitalism doesn't care about prophecies (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 years ago by eleefece@lemmy.world to c/dnd_memes@lemmy.world

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[–] GiantRobotTRex@lemmy.sdf.org 69 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I loved how the shopkeeper in Link's Awakening would kill you if you stole anything from his shop. Also every NPC starts calling you THIEF.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I completely forgot about that! My whole play through on my Pocket they called me that, I was devastated

[–] GiantRobotTRex@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah I thought it was really interesting how the gameplay penalty is tiny but the psychological penalty is harsh. Really encouraged me to never do it again on subsequent playthroughs.

[–] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago

At least a couple screens down is the crane game that can be cheesed pretty easily. Not as easy in the remake, but not too hard.

[–] Cruxifux@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

That bitch would TRY to kill you anyway.

[+] orcrist@lemm.ee 50 points 2 years ago (1 children)

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[–] MenKlash@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

"Commerce" is only possible if both parties are willing to respect each other's natural right to have private property and each other's right to express consent (voluntary exchange). By trading these goods, there is a mutual benefit (social cooperation) that emerges from wanting to satisfy their own self interest.

I think this is pretty capitalist for my taste. (And please, it's not the same as corporatocracy).

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Commerce only requires personal property, not private property. The distinction is important.

[+] MenKlash@kbin.social -6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your (socialist) distinction between "personal property" (consumer goods) and private property (producer goods) is purely arbitrary. The difference between consumer and producer goods is totally subjective, as it depends of the individual using that good.

Each people as its own goals, they can use various means to achieve them and their knowledge, preferences and skills are not the same.

[–] xanu@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your understanding of the distinction between personal and private property is simply flawed. Personal property is something that is owned by a single individual for their personal use, i.e. buying a house for you and your family to live in, while private property is something owned by either an individual or a corporation of people for the sole purpose of making money, i.e. buying a house that you never plan to live in for the sole purpose of renting it out to make more money.

A corporation can own consumer goods and it be private property, like Walmarts warehouses of consumer goods, and an individual can own producer goods as their own personal property, like tools and raw materials in their workshop.

The distinction is important because it boils down to intent and the inevitable consequences of that intent. Private property solely exists to make money, and therefore will put that goal above everything, leading to things like market manipulation, exploitation, and enforced scarcity. Trade is not capitalism, and capitalism isn't "when people trade".

[–] DeterminedBauhinia@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

I didn't come to dndmemes to learn socialist theory, but appreciates it regardless

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Commerce as you described it just sounds like ideal capitalism.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

You made capitalism sound quite nice

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's a well-known fact that there was no commerce in feudal societies.

[–] MenKlash@kbin.social -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Regardless of the socio-economic system imposed, commerce always persists because natural rights are inherent to human beings. Even in socialist systems, grey and black markets are going to be there.

[–] Klear@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, that was my point, but maybe it got lost in the snark.

[–] ForestOrca@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

I always appreciate random Oglaf posting, to remind me to go back and 'binge read' all that I've missed since the previous time.

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