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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 128 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We've got an issue here. It won't let me see the post. I believe you, but is there an archive version of this?

Edit: Here is the original article: https://www.404media.co/ice-and-cbp-agents-are-scanning-peoples-faces-on-the-street-to-verify-citizenship/

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 55 points 2 days ago

Archive link since that's behind a paywall: https://archive.ph/C7jJu

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Even China's facial recognition is wrong like 20-30% of the time

This is going to have so many false positives...

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is going to have so many false positives…

That's the idea.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

It’s the smartphone version of “I smelled marijuana,” bet there’s a setting to double tap a button and flag an offending person regardless of documentation.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

And China doesn't have any black people, for whom facial rec is notoriously inaccurate.

Oh, yeah, false positives all over the place.

If you get ensnared by this little scheme, make the best of it. Keep track of everything that happens during your detainment, down to the slightest inconvenience, because you are going to blow that up when you get your case into a courtroom. Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The first line kinda ignores the minorities in China. It's mostly Han so the minorities suffer similar discrimination there due to lack of representation or excessive regional enforcement

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

I'm not saying that China doesn't have its own forms of racism and discrimination, I was just pointing out that studies have shown that facial recognition systems are far less accurate with black people, which America has in far higher numbers than China. If there are already going to be false positives for a country like China, it's going to be much higher in America, where we have a population segment that doesn't really exist in China, which has a notorious poor accuracy for facial rec.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Make these Sociopathic Oligarchs fund your (hopefully early) retirement.

Might wanna be careful with those genie wishes, in context.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 23 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Who would win?

An app connected to a server

1 itty bitty DDOS attack

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

Error, couldn't reach server. Default judgment: guilty

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

Double tap to declare guilty and deport. Single tap to deport

[–] QuantumStorm@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Is it time for LOIC to make a comeback?

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

of course the app creators intended it to be used like that. anyone in that field knew exactly where things were likely to head because they always head that way. if you hadn't paid attention to that type of surveillance technology that you might not know but these people definitely did. They wanted it, they got it, and now they're pretending to be embarrassed.

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 201 points 2 days ago

Exclusive: algorithm used by fascism app has been leaked!

[–] FE80@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This is analogous to drug sniffing dogs; the purpose isn't that the technique is valid, it's that is provides a plausible excuse for an action.

[–] Skyline969@lemmy.ca 175 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And yet apps helping identify ICE agents are taken down.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 72 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] arcterus@piefed.blahaj.zone 111 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I actually do not understand how some people find this unconcerning. This is like blatantly dangerous.

[–] naught@sh.itjust.works 76 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'm just surprised that they didn't call the app Minority Report - I mean it's right there and so accurate

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40% of the population.

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[–] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 112 points 2 days ago

Fascism: there's an app for that!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 65 points 2 days ago

404 Media is journalist owned (there are four of them) and they’re doing some of the best journalism in the USA lately. I signed up about a year ago and don’t regret it. If you’ve got the extra cash and you actually give a damn about our broken media landscape, you could find a lot worse places to spend it.

[–] amos@mander.xyz 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

I really really really hope that when this is all said and done, every single one of these people face consequences. And we all know what consequences the people want.

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[–] hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 63 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Uhm excuse me is this app available in an official app store? Does this mean ICE SIDELOADED THEIR APP?

[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

No way they could explain how to do that to these apes. Apple and Google are complicit in this, they like being able to bribe Trump. Probably just need to add their name to the list of people that can see it in the app store.

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[–] reddit_sux@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Life comes full circle Nazis did genocide to Jews so now Israeli are enabling Nazis, while carrying out genocide of their own.

[–] compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone 54 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Fucking excuse me? An app is supposed to override my goddamn birth certificate? Absolutely not. In fact, I’ll be damned if I let a cop scan my face without putting up a fight. I’m walking away unless detained, and if I’m detained, I’m not doing a fucking thing until I have my lawyer.

Edit: Look up and commit to memory the phone number of your local chapter of the National Lawyers Guild, if you don’t already have an attorney’s contact information ready at hand.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's no due process anymore. Why do you believe you'll ever be granted a lawyer, let alone a phone call, or a court date? They're just out there assaulting and disappearing people.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The wording of "alien" is pretty disturbing in and of itself. Not illegal or anything, not "foreign", but "alien". Might as well just say "unwanted".

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[–] ThePantser@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like a visit from some hackers to make everyone legal is in order.

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[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I want everyone to be speaking like this, so I will lead by example.

If they fucking try it, I will kill them. Then and there.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Doesn't mean a lot online, talking to a bunch of people who don't know you from Adam. Better to start speaking like this in person with your neighbors, preferably not in range of any recording devices. A single neighbor that knows that you're willing to raise up arms in their defense is worth more than any number of online strangers that you couldn't possibly help defend

On an unrelated note, the Second Amendment is not just for conservatives

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[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think it "overrides" proof of citizenship because of the numbers theyre told to deport. A "figure it out later, but get the deportation numbers now" scenario

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago

Yeah, in a way they're really just saying out loud the quiet part: that their job is to arrest people who "don't look right", quite independently of being an illegal immigrant, legal immigrant or even a citizen.

Having the "app" as an intermediary in the decision process is just a "computer says" way to isolate themselves from the responsabilities of what is in fact their choice (as the app was still configured/trained per their instructions so it's nothing but a computer agent dirctly or indirectly executing their instructions)

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