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Reddit migrator here (shocking, I know)

Just wondering because I found out about all this yesterday and just realized the ammount of independent servers, but no sign of any ads or sponsors. So... is it all based on donations?

Also don't just lurk, if you know you should answer because lemmy only counts users who posted or commented as active users.

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[–] callcc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I'm not sure there is one answer here. I guess it all depends on the instance. Also consider that it's pretty early on, some instances might ask you money to join, others might ask for donations and yet others might show ads or be completely paid for by the hoster. Having a small instance doesn't necessarily need to cost a lot.

[–] pinwurm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lemmy is a non-profit that receives grant funding through NLnet's NGI0 Discovery Fund. And also - individual giving.

Individual instances can fund themselves how they want. Besides donations - there’s certainly a world where some servers start hosting sponsored content to keep afloat. Given that users have so many alternatives, there’s a limit in how much they could get away with.

There’s also a world in which small government would run and operate instances if this gets popular enough. No reason why somewhere like Estonia can’t do so as a promotion of their booming tech industry.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Lemmy is a non-profit that receives grant funding through NLnet’s NGI0 Discovery Fund.

Okay, so I found the NLnet project page you alluded to and I've also checked Github and various pages on join-lemmy.org, but I haven't found anything that actually says how the project is organized from a tax perspective. I don't doubt @dessalines@lemmy.ml et al.'s egalitarian intent, but is it actually a an official non-profit organization (e.g. 501(c)3 or the equivalent in whatever country the project is incorporated in), or have they not yet bothered to do the paperwork to form a business entity separate from themselves as individuals, or what?

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[–] B0Y0@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"lemmy only counts users who posted or commented as active users."

What exactly did this mean? What are the benefits of being an "active" user, or the drawbacks for not? Does that impact the effectiveness of that user's up/downvotes, or something?

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[–] BobQuasit@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The internet and even the web didn't need profit for many long years before the web went commercial. I've been publishing my own website since 1996 without advertising or asking for donations. I just publish it because I love the topic. Profit is NOT the be-all and end-all of existence.

Don't believe me? How much would you sell your children for?

[–] NoIWontPickaName@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] CaptThax@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds like you are about to pick a name...

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[–] Kir@feddit.it -1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Plot twist: not everything needs to be profitable.

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[–] Mmagnusson@programming.dev -1 points 2 years ago

They aren't, and due to the type of culture that is common here many users are outright hostile to any monetization other than charity. mastodon has had instances being defederated for the crime of attempting to introduce advertising or subscription.

It remains to be seen if this changes, but for now you're unlikely to start a fediverse instance for profit.

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