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I really do like KBin and Lemmy and the fediverse on the whole, but development is still young and the userbase still growing. KBin is still basically early access, and Lemmy is buggy. I spent alot of time in reddit and I'm feeling the pain of trying to ween myself from it. Just wanted to here community perspectives and see how other's are taking it.

For me, I feel a bit of a sore hollow spot for what reddit used to be and watching it implode is not fun for me.

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[–] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I actually kind of feel the opposite way. While Kbin is young, and will certainly be more optimised with time, it works more than well enough to satisfy my want to interact with the world the same way I would through Reddit - though interactions feel more personal. Just in this thread I recognise a couple of names of those I've chatted with before.

Additionally, moving to Kbin finally gave me a chance to do some spring-cleaning on my browsing habits. Where I used only stick to my subscribed feed on Reddit, I find myself much more on All on Kbin, exposing myself to more (though I do stay away from NSFW, unlike what I did on Reddit).

I think it is good and healthy to regularly go through changes that affect your daily life.

[–] DwarfGiraffe@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

After 6-7 years on reddit via Boost. It really was a big part of my life and it all falling apart really bothers me. Especially since it helped me mentally so much on so many levels.

Also I'm having a really hard time dealing with all the alternatives. I'm trying to get used to kbin but while I know it's still the early stages of the product, as a UX Designer, it just doesn't feel good to use at all at this stage. And it's still a big question mark if the communities and niches I enjoyed on reddit will even grow or thrive on any of the alternatives. Which again really sucks.

But despite the disruption it's caused, fuck reddit and fuck spez. No going back.

Fingers crossed that the alternatives grow and thrive.

[–] Borgzilla@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like someone who has just woken up from cryo-sleep or a soldier who's finally come out of the jungle after twenty years.

The 90s were great for the most part. The Internet was free and open, and there were zillions of forums and personal websites. I call this period the Genesis of the Web.

Then, things got bad. Microsoft monopolised the Web with its shitty IE 6 browser, websites were riddled with malware and popup ads, and you needed an antivirus and an anti-adware on your PC to be safe. I call this period the dark age of the Web. Most search engines died out, and Google became the king of search.

A couple years into the new millennium, Firefox and HTML 5 came about. There was hope again. Mozilla was fighting the good fight to keep the Web open, and new Web development techniques were developed (jQuery, CSS3, Dojo toolkit, Ajax became easier, etc). As a Web developer, this period was very exciting. You just couldn't keep up with the new stuff. Firefox's market share kept increasing, and new websites appeared on the scene: myspace, youtube, thefacebook (basically, proto-social media). Google released their Chrome browser, and IE was dying a slow death. This was the golden age of the Internet.

Then, things got bleak. Apple released their iPhone, and Google released Android. By this time, most personal websites were gone, social media was on the rise, Firefox became less and less relevant, and by the end of the 2010s, the Web had become just a shell of itself. The 'Web' was now just a dozen websites owned by powerful corporations. Engagement algorithms were developed to keep people hooked, and Google analytics tracked everything. Privacy was gone for good. This is the period we are currently in. I call it Corpo Web or the Dystopian Web. Some of us did not want to participate in this version of the Web, so we lived in a separate world (what we call the small web).

Finally, someone came up with the idea of Fediverse; platforms that can communicate with each other through open protocols. Corporate social media platforms are falling apart (reddit, twitter, facebook, etc), and Fediverse is exploding. Each Fediverse instance has its own personality, and it reminds me of web rings in a way. There is always something new to discover, be it a new community or a new instance of Lemmy/Mastodon/etc.

What I would love to see though, is a way to Lemmy instances more unique (custom designs, chat system, games, etc). This would encourage people to visit other instances. Also, we should be able to categorise communities and group them together (like a traditional forum).

[–] drinkleadsoup@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Engagement algorithms were developed to keep people hooked, and Google analytics tracked everything. Privacy was gone for good.

The explosion of privacy data tracking algorithms have destroyed the modern internet.

[–] cassetti@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I have a small business and about 20-30% of my traffic/sales came from Reddit. That's completely disappeared. I've seen a huge impact on my business already

[–] tal@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One of my conversations as this blew up was with some guy who sold WW2 memoriabilia and promoted his stuff on a small sub. He was kind of confused as to why the main WW2 sub had become inaccessible.

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It looks like it's restricted still, though not private.

Anyway, I imagine that there are other people in a similar boat.

[–] cassetti@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Ouch. Yeah I still spend $0 in advertising. All my business comes from satisfied customers and word-of-mouth referrals (the way I believe it should be - I loath paid advertisements forced upon people). At one point I a few years back I was one of the top 500,000 websites in the world (Alexa verified).

I've taken multiple hits over the years when other platforms (like Youtube) swept through their content and eliminated unpaid "ads" as they see it. I have no clue what the future will hold, and extremely thankful that I have a few distribution partners helping keeping me afloat during these slow times. Maybe the federation's content will be logged by google and my site will regain it's popularity.

Best thing you can do to help us small businesses is to give a shout out wherever appropriate (not spam, naturally). Just remind people that XYZ business or brand exists is extremely beneficial and worth more than any paid advertising.

[–] greatwhitebuffalo41@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I can't relate but damn that sucks I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

[–] cassetti@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Yeah, Reddit has been pulling unsponsored ad content for the past year. I've been struggling with sales since I don't pay for advertising - all my business comes from word of mouth referrals. Same thing happened in 2018 when Youtube swept through and erased a bunch of content.

Fortunately I run a tight ship with minimal overhead so as long as I get some business weekly I can keep the 'doors' open. But damn it's been tough the past 14 months both with the recession and the changes to Reddit. But that's fine - the slow time gives me a chance to get back to what I enjoy - innovating cool new widgets for the market.

If you want to help us small businesses (all of us are struggling right now), just remember to leave an honest review or mention the business/brand online. A simple word of mouth referral is worth infinitely more than a paid advertisement.

[–] Scope@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

My "life being disrupted" is a tad dramatic, but it's certainly changed my downtime scrolling habits. And there are some niche interests that I can't participate in the discussion of anymore since deleting my Reddit account, because there's not the user base here to support the communities. Mostly, I can't wait until KBin isn't just a place where the most active conversations are about Reddit. I think RedditMigration is the most populated overall magazine, and I really hope that's not a lasting situation.

[–] szczur@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I was seriously addicted to Reddit at some point, but in the meantime I got a perma-ban there. So I gave up and here we are.

[–] Prej@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately, the blond piggy was right; it'll all blow over.
Most of the people getting riled up over reddit's antics will remain there out of convenience and/or habit.

It's like with video games. People shit on EA and other AAA developers but still preorder their games.

At the end of the day, all of the internet's content trickles from platform to platform, it's just a matter of where in this chain you are.

[–] sheetmulch@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I’ve gotten so much more done the last couple of weeks. Definitely a change, just not the one some of you are experiencing.

[–] mode@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I still miss it but I am glad it is over

[–] shadowbert@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

Honestly, yes. It's a pain.

But the good news is that, due to their sudden increase in popularity, they're likely to mature much more quickly than they would have otherwise.

[–] Bucket_of_Truth@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I feel more like we're experiencing a new epoch of the internet and society really. It's not just reddit changing it's API, it seems that everything is changing around us and reddit is just one facet of that. The pandemic ending, the rise of AI, new threats of war, fentanyl cheaper than soda, and unprecedented corporate greed are creating a world that we haven't seen before and it's strange for everyone.

[–] FreeBooteR69@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

My life has been enhanced actually. Some disruptions in life are good, they cause us to re-evaluate ourselves and our goals, and send us in directions we might never have anticipated. Honestly i'm excited for the future of the Fediverse and it's potential.

[–] Mostly_Harmless@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

At first I did feel that way. But as my engagement with reddit went down it felt like my life improved.

[–] oxjox@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

First, I’m still new here so having to scroll past all the other comments to post a comment is lame.

Most relevant and importantly though, if you feel like your life is “disrupted” by the actions of a social media company, you might want to reassess your life.

I mean, are you serious? Think about the nature of this “issue”. Anyone of this mindset (aside from the developers who were not given enough time to deal with changes) strikes me as exceptionally childish.

What people should have a problem with is the vast number of bot accounts posting content to drive engagement. Reddit is trash. It’s full of click bait and rage bait just like very other “social media” entity.

What’s awesome here is the segment of people searching for smaller more supportive communities built around their hobbies and interests.

Hail to those who’ve been maintaining Vanilla Forums, etc and creating communities in the fediverse. You’re doing it because you care and believe in passions shared by your community.

[–] FoodDude@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

I kinda like that you have to scroll past comments to comment yourself. You read, than comment. Kind of like a actual conversation/discussion. It's not just you vs the OP.

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