The fact that guys like that dont feel welcome on Lemmy is a testament to Lemmy getting it right. I think it differentiates itself from the awful social media clones of the past like Voat or Vidme. I'll leave it at that because we should probably shy away from outrage bait. As much as I'd like to i cant do anything about him and he is driving his buddies away from us
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The “centrists” that all all in favor of letting the oppressor and the oppressed talk their differences in a neutral playground are great.
Requires a level of love for the status quo and lack of reflection that never ceases to amaze.
Dude, you are not in the center. You are three steps from the neonazis and a thousand kilometers from the tankies. Even if you are opposed to the “extremes” and “mu horseshoe” yo are not equidistant.
I’m not that kind of communist so I won’t likely interact with lemmygrad but for the rest of lemmy I’m not concerned with the devs being tankies unless they lean hard into silencing disssenting views from the rest of the left like anarchists and other flavors of socialists
The beauty of the system is that they really don't have that power. It's open source and federated, so at most they can ban people from instances they run
True, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth I suppose. Just another of the many many grey areas of life and trying to be as ethical as possible under a capitalist system
Yeah no disagreement there, as a non-auth leftist tankies really activate my almonds
I'll admit that I struggled to figure out Mastodon when twitter changed hands. For me it was either too confusing or not worth figuring out. Maybe it was just the nature of it being more about personal posts, so each server was much more different.
I had no such trouble with Lemmy/Beehaw. Drop-in replacement. That said, I don't think I'm a communist? I'm not a raging capitalist either though? I'm just kinda here.
If you joined beehaw, you aren't exposed to lemmygrad which is what they may be talking about. Some of them are far, far left and because they outnumbered other Lemmy users, the general vibe of viewing posts was a little extreme.
They are dropping away on the community browser so they may be relegated to niche rather than dominant as more users join.
As someone who is far, far left, I just want to say that Lemmygrad doesn't represent us all. The libertarian left is very different.
Ditto. I'd call myself a socialist, but they're so far "left" they're far right again, imo. Pro-dictators and forceful subjugation and whatnot. Tankies. Not really sure what makes them left at all, really, except by virtue of the word communism and the fact that everyone seems to have agreed they are.
At least, assuming this crowd is the same as similar crowds I am familiar with - I'll admit I have not explored lemmygrad much, and I don't particularly intend to.
Tankies are just right-wingers who simp for different countries.
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Would Lemmy embrace or allow /r/2ALiberals ? This is a topic I’ve been curious about.
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Not speaking for anyone but me, but sometimes when people say they something is too political it really means too much "extreme" political views. Personally I don't want to interact with extreme auth-left or auth-right content. I think politely discussing why access to housing should be guaranteed by government, or arguing for lower corporate taxes or whatever, isn't what bothers most people.
Fortunately Fedi allows instances who are fine with it host those users, and I don't have to see it. And Lemmy -the project- isn't political, it's just software for which I'm grateful to the devs.
Yes exactly, I call myself very left but the minute I tried /kbin a thread about china from lemmy.ml showed up and there full of Tianomon Square deniers I tried to engage but just after half an hour I was almost done with the whole reddit alternative and was on my way to delete my account.
People are put off of extremist places and don't want to join them, think they are lost already to the extremists. Both online and in real life.
This is difficult to hear but may be good feedback to share with kbin.social's admins and kbin's devs in the kbinMeta magazine. I don't want to see lemmy.ml defederated at this point, but it's a risky one to have on the front page. It's kind of nuanced:
Lemmy's devs have been running a successful campaign to recruit Redditors to use their app, and many Redditors have chosen lemmy.ml (the instance run by its developers) by default. A few of us have been trying to sound a warning about this, but it's muted amid the outrage at Reddit.
Lemmy's developers are often described as "tankies" but the word seems to be acting as a euphemism, as though it's just an eccentric subculture. The fact is Lemmy's devs are stooges for the CCP. They actively welcome its propaganda on their instance, and they've compiled apologetics for the CCP's human rights abuses including the Uyghur genocide.
At the same time, lemmy.ml is the primary instance for Lemmy, and an important support resource for instances that run on it. On top of that it's now home to a lot of Redditors trying to build their own communities there. For those reasons I don't think it should be defederated, but I think kbin.social might need a way to prevent the instance – or at least some specific communities – from reaching the front page.
For myself, I've blocked its china and technology communities, as well as a few specific users that I've seen post propaganda pieces there. I'm satisfied with that solution to address my own use, but your own experience makes me realize it still reflects on kbin.social to have that stuff reach our front page.
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My teenage son and I recently had a conversation about how the people complaining something is "too political" are the ones with a political agenda you have to watch out for. He pleasantly surprised me by being 2 steps ahead of me (he told me he liked the thing people were criticizing because of the political aspects).
Is there a Lemmy equivalent of r/SelfAwareWolves?
You're totally right tbh, such types are ideally gonna go elsewhere for their freeze peach.
/dev/null seems to have ample room, they should try there
I understood that reference :D
Nooooo! People have different opinions to me! They better not join Lemmy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Online commies are the absolute worst. They made me realize I was an anarchist all along. It's incredible how much time they spend being angry about pointless shit that no one cares about, like people using slurs online. They can't help it but act like tiny dictators whenever they get the chance, by ganging up on anyone who doesn't subscribe to their specific flavor of groupthink. And the thing that irks me the most is that it's not even about left or right. It's not about the poor or the rich, or the means of production, or people being exploited, or anything tangentially related to the economy. It's all social justice. American identity politics. Issues that become less and less tangible the further you get from the anglosphere.
And they live in their echo chambers, and whenever their worldview is challenged they start posting insane takes like "Lemmy being functionally dead is actually good because I can't get offended on behalf of someone else if no one is posting anything"
This is the kind of dumb trash that makes me apolitical. Just like being athiest, I think having extreme beliefs that privileges abstract ideologies over real humanity activitely makes people less empathetic and more dangerous.
The breadth of the human experience is so much bigger than the desparate shouts of politicians and their distracted followers.
Even if communism in its platonic form is closer to a humane government system than capitalism, I still don't want to be constantly exposed to it.
Why, because political discussions are more concerned with complaining about a flawed system - AKA a flawed group of people erroneously granted too much power - than it is actually about solving problems.
Caring about humanity is why I care about politics, though. Politics is the vehicle through which humanity's fate is decided. If you don't participate in it, you allow people who do to run roughshod over you. Politics decides whether your country goes to war or not, whether people die in poverty or not, whether the climate apocalypse kills us all or not.
Note that by politics I do not necessarily mean electoralism. Voting is a stopgap measure at best. But there's much more to politics than voting and elections.
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On the one hand, I hate the right's bullshit. But, on the other hand, there was some comfort in having the ability to keep tabs on them. If they pick a different space, it'll be harder to anticipate what they're planning.
They already have several. Vote, 8chan, 4chan, parler, telegram, truth spcial, pockets of reddit, and twitter now i guess. I can't think of as many leftist equivalents.
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