I really don't know what to think about Isreal and hamas. Isreal is committing war crimes and hamas has been pushed to treat everyone as they're enemy and will be violent to everyone.
this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2024
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Nobody wants Israel to deal with Hamas, but nobody else steps up to do it either. Not only that, but nobody hates Palestinians more than other Arabs such as Egyptians. None of the Arab nations want to step up or take in refugees, same with Europe, all that talk from Europe but nobody will commit to taking in Palestinian refugees or sending in their own troops to weed out Hamas
Israel does fund hamas though, so they're kinda dealing with them in a different way
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Have a lovely day, and remember: if it's gotta be complex, make it military industrial.
I have yet to have someone provide me with a source where Hamas/PA admits that an air strike hit something other than civilians. Why would you take an organization at its word that has been shown time and time again to directly make up reality before reports are validated?
If you are wondering why there is a generational gap in support for Palestine, that's why.
I don't care what Hamas says or admits. Reliable news sources have repeatedly reported that IDF is killing an unreasonably high number of innocent Palestinian civilians, relative to the number of Hamas soldiers that they kill.
Hamas soldiers
you mean terrorists?
Reliable news sources that simply take the Palestinian Authority at their word.
Because their local correspondents have been killed by Israel. Look it up, Israel has been responsible for the vast majority of journalists' deaths last year, in only three months.
Extremely dishonest to leave out the fact that all numbers provided by Gaza’s Ministry of Health has consistently matched very closely with Israel’s death counts in the past, and Israel just happens to have completely blocked access to Gaza for outside agencies to do independent counts.
Wow, isn’t that convenient! Guess there’s no choice other than to assume the thousands of children blown to pieces are lies made up to make it harder for Israel to defend itself by flattening over 70% of homes in Gaza, along with reporters and refugee camps.
You can literally see Gaza City leveled on satellite maps, very few buildings are left standing. Even if Isreal hadn't killed a Single civilian, tens to hundreds of thousands would eventually die of exposure because they have nowhere else to go, their homes have been destroyed (Egypt isn't willing to take Gazan refugees and it seems like neither is anyone else in the area).
The infrastructural damage alone is enough to indirectly kill 10s of thousands minimum in the long run. And of course Isreal has been striking civilians, so the total scale of the civilian life lost will be much larger than that.
30% of the residential structures that were present in Gaza before October remain. This is easily observed from satellite and aerial imagery.
Perhaps its more that there is a generation gap in critical thinking.
No...
Surely this is just another example of everyone under retirement age being wrong and only the boomers really know what's going on.
No one else spends so much time on Facebook, they're clearly the most informed out of all the generations!
It's worse than that, I haven't seen any data on what percentage of the still-standing buildings remain inhabitable/structurally sound. A lot of those 30% are probably not going to be safe to occupy long-term without significant repairs, and I doubt Isreal is going to fund those.
There is some ratio of civilian deaths to military targets hit that is essentially "acceptible". Especially when the military targets are amoung civilians. I don't know what that number is but it's definitely way way way way less than right now.
22k people dead is wholely unacceptable. At absolute best, giving Isreal the biggest benifit of the doubt I can, Isreal is indiscriminately killing civilians.
Reminder: the 22k number is inclusive of Hamas combatants. They refuse to break out military casualties from civilians.
If even half of 22k was Hamas their "command center" would need a bit more equipment than a few ak47s and like 4 bullets between them.
This is true, but the casualties are hitting the population of Gaza indiscriminately, and the median age there is only 18. So you're still killing half children. Even if the ranks of Hamas are heavily stacked with 16-17 year old kids (in which case indiscriminate killing of them would still be better to avoid, it's not like child soldiers are really capable of consenting to the risks of armed conflict), there's no way the majority of the deaths are actual Hamas combatants.
Why do you need Hamas to say something before you decide whether or not blowing up thousands of children is acceptable?
The generational gap in support for Israel is caused by the fact that boomers and GenX made up their mind about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict back in the 80s and 90s when the PLO was suicide bombing Israel on a daily basis. The younger generation has only known Israel as the oppressor state under right wing idiots like Netanyahu. They also forget that Israel was the underdog when all of their neighbours ganged up on them and tried to wipe the Jews off the face of the Earth again, repeatedly. The younger generation just sees the power imbalance between Israel and the Palestinians and assumes that Israel must be in the wrong.
Partially but there is also an information gap about perpetual violence coming out of Gaza from the region as well. Just because Israel got better at defending does not mean they are not reacting in a vacuum.
As there is an information gap about the perpetual violence coming into Gaza from Israel itself. There is no reacting going on from Israel. It is active and quite intentional in design.
It might be more accurate to show Hamas raping and dismembering a few hostages before Israel enters the picture, but otherwise, yeah.
It might be more accurate to show the Israeli PM giving bags of money for decades to Hamas, and ignoring the evidence of their plans to rape and dismember a few hostages, before raping and dismembering a few hostages before Israel enters the picture, but otherwise, yeah.
Alright, who has the time machine?
Netanyahu is a psychopath, but that doesn't make Hamas any less culpable for their raping and murdering. Netanyahu and his right-wing theocratic conspirators have to go, and so does Hamas, hopefully in body bags. The civilian population? They are human shields for Hamas, but I doubt many Israelis are shedding tears for them either. Israelis remember the daily suicide bombings of restaurants and shops by the PLO back in the day. It's a fucked up situation and has been for decades.
People need to understand that it's possible to both condemn Hamas, who are a fundamentalist organization that regularly commits terrorism, and acknowledge that Isreal is committing a genocide against the Palestinian people.
If anything the current far-right Isreali government benefits from Hamas because a more moderate faction having power in Gaza would make it harder for them to justify their goal of ethnically cleansing Palestinians from the Gaza strip (and likely eventually the West Bank and Israel proper).
Oh, yeah, it's needed that image to understand why i*rael is comiting genocide, now everything makes sense
There is no justification for the genocide committed by Israel. No crime committed by Hamas justifies the actions taken by Israel.
But it is also dishonest to suggest that Hamas was merely threatening to harm people. October 7th was a massive, coordinated, heinous attack on innocent civilians.
It was intended to provoke a reaction from Israel, so Hamas is getting what it wants.
That's not a justification for Israel in any sense at all. Israel is actively engaged in a genocide, and should be stopped. The Israeli war criminals should face prosecution for their crimes.
Hamas is a violent terrorist organization who should be stopped. The Hamas war criminals should face prosecutio for their crimes.
Both things can be true. Saying so does not equivocate or mitigate either crime.