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[–] nightscout@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don’t think it’s necessary “CEO proof” but it is definitely a bit better positioned to avoid the pitfalls that Twitter and Reddit have experienced. Hence the reason I am here. But there’s nothing stopping a for-profit corporation from buying out the owner of a large instance (or multiple large instances). I think the best way to try and prevent that is for people to join hyper-local, hyper-specific instances that can all connect with one another. I assume that would be the benefit of Lemmy.

[–] maplealmond@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

CEO proof is a good reason to describe why I want my podcasts to come via an RSS feed instead of depending on an all-in-one app. I've often said things about open gardens and interoperable services, but that preaches to the choir.

"CEO Proof" really sells it to a non technical user.

[–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

One issue that I don't think Lemmy has tackled collectively is the licensing of the user data. Lemmy is open source and that's one crucial part of the enshittification resistance equation. The other is doing the equivalent for the user data. If the user data is licensed under the right version of the CC license, it will ensure that it can always be copied to another instance in cases of instance enshittification. As far as I know, there isn't anything about who owns the user data. That defaults to every author having copyright over their data. While this means the instance owner can't sell it without permission from every user it's also not conductive to moving bulk data across instances. Individual migration would improve this significantly but I believe we should switch to having user data licensed under some CC license too.

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[–] TwystedKynd@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

My only concern is extremists making use of it to organize, spread misinformation, coordinate attacks, etc. and there's zero oversight. That's a serious concern that needs addressing, but I have no idea how.

[–] Spacemanspliff@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ban those communities from your instance. There's not going to ever be any way to prevent them starting their own, all you can do is defederate. There doesn't need to be any more.

[–] Givesomefucks@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago

I mean, if it's real bad shit like violence, that's where FBI comes in, right?

Not sure if the ACLU would be able to do anything about hate speech.

But bad actors would have to run a shell game of go between instances to recruit. And they've been doing that shit for decades anyways. Hell, it's the same thing as under 18 punk shows back in the day when nazis hung in the parking lot trying to give booze/drugs to kids.

Like, imagine if someone said we can't have phones because assholes can also buy a phone...

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[–] ArtBear@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In the Fediverse there are no Zuckerbergs, Musks, Dorseys, Huffmans etc.

[–] hydra@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

There is ALWAYS the possibility to enshittify anything. Meta is trying to infiltrate Mastodon already.

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[–] twoshoes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I agree that the more accurate term is "board-proof" but I still think "CEO-proof" conveys the idea better to someone who is unaware of the way social media corpos work. The image of the shady CEO with his pinstripe suite and greased hair, lighting his big cigar with a wad of dollar bills is so strong in the cultural conciousness, that even my inlaws would switch to a federated plattform.

[–] Thedogspaw@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago

There will never be a time when you need adds to pay for a server even if you had a server with 50 million people the cost to run that server might be like 100k if just 1 million people pay 1 dollar you already have 1 million dollars a month you only need adds when your a company that needs to grow every quarter

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