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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/42745436
(this is my first attempt at cross-posting within Lemmy, I hope I'm doing it right)

I've played a lot of Castlevania games in my life and I wanted to break down all the various eras (as I see them) for anyone who hasn't played a Castlevania game before and might be interested. I'm going to cover all of the Castlevania games. So yes, this will be an extremely long and rambling post. We're going to see if Lemmy has any content limits for its posts.

The first thing to know about Castlevania games is that (almost) all of them have the same plot: someone resurrected Dracula (or is about to) and must be stopped. That's it. If a plot is present, that's the plot. Also, there are very few actual "sequels" throughout the entire franchise. This means there's no real continuity and you can jump in wherever you want. And with the magic of emulators, truly any of these games are available to you if you're interested.

In general (with some exceptions), Castlevania games fall into two categories. One which fans refer to as "Classicvania" and one that became "Metroidvania". Classicvanias are the "move to the right, fight a boss at the end" level-based games. Metroidvanias are the "entire map available at the start but you need additional abilities to access it all" type of game. I'll get into details later, I just wanted to clarify my section headings before diving in.

Classicvanias (8-bit era)

NES games:

• Castlevania (1986)
  The first one. It was released early in the life of the NES and is therefore more clunky than later games, but it sets the stage. The start screen has a film reel on it to show the major inspiration here is classic horror movie monsters. This isn't a horror game though, it's just a spooky game. As for gameplay, it's your standard "move to the right, fight a boss at the end" design. Overall, this is a tough game with knock-back (an enemy bumps into you and you fall into a pit) and some pixel-perfect jumps (I made that jump easily the first time, why can't I land it now??). With emulators and save states, it could still be fun. If you try to play it the way kids in the 80s were forced to though, you'll snap your controller in half.

• Castlevania II: Simon's Quest (1987)
  When the first Legend of Zelda game came out, it was a huge hit. It defined the top-down dungeon-crawling style of game on the NES. So naturally, for Zelda 2 they... completely reworked the entire gameplay and gave it side-scroller combat. Simon's Quest is a bit like that. After the success of the first Castlevania game, with its "move to the right, fight a boss at the end" design, they decided to completely rework the gameplay for the second game. Simon's Quest is non-linear. You have to talk to villagers to get clues, you have to collect items and then back-track to access a new area, and there's a day/night cycle (enemies are more difficult at night and villagers aren't around). This isn't an RPG though, it's just confusing. I said some villagers will give you clues, but some of those clues were mistranslated when brought to America so they weren't helpful at all. Today, this is a game you can't play without a walkthrough. It's ridiculous. I would absolutely skip this game unless you're a completionist.

• Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse (1989)
  Castlevania 3 is more of a "return to form" to Castlevania 1's gameplay and is better for it. This game also has some improvements. For example, after beating a stage, you can choose between one of two stages to go to next. This allows you to have more of a "journey" to Dracula's castle. Also, you can unlock additional characters along the way. Between the level selection and additional playable characters, there's actually quite a bit of re-play value here. Personally, this is my favorite Castlevania of the NES era. Castlevania 1 is an interesting time capsule, Castlevania 2 is an awkward mess (in my opinion), and Castlevania 3 is what I consider NES Castlevania to be. One interesting thing to note here is the American version of this game is more difficult than the Japanese version. For whatever reason, the enemies in the American release do more damage. There's also some minor 8-bit nudity that had to be censored in the American release to protect those poor impressionable American children.

Game Boy games:

• Castlevania: The Adventure (1989)
  This was one of the first games released on the Game Boy, and it shows. It's another awkward, clunky mess. It's interesting how Castlevania games tend to be one of the initial titles on a new console... and are worse for it. It usually takes a couple years for developers to really figure out what a console can and can't do, and Castlevania games seem to be testing grounds. All that is to say, this is a terrible game. The character has slow movement, there are no sub-weapons, and you have to constantly climb ropes (which are hard to grab). This game was remastered as Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth on the Wii and was improved in every single way for that release. You can play the original Game Boy title just to see what it's like, but I would recommend playing ReBirth if you actually want to try this game. You'll need to pirate the game of course since it was a WiiWare exclusive and Nintendo shut down the WiiWare shop.

• Castlevania II: Belmont's Revenge (1991)
  There are some improvements here, like the addition of sub-weapons. Plus, it has a stage select screen like a Mega Man game where you can pick whichever level you want to complete first. Dracula's castle then unlocks after beating all the levels, like Wily's castle in Mega Man. Otherwise, it's still a game boy Castlevania game, it's pretty clunky.

• Castlevania: Legends (1997)
  The last Castlevania game on the Game Boy. This was released towards the end of the Game Boy's lifespan (the N64 was already available by this point) so it does a lot of things right. This is easily the best Castlevania game on the Game Boy but that's not saying much. The Game Boy had a small screen and limited hardware; so even when done right, these games are pretty minimal. You could skip all of the Game Boy Castlevania games and you wouldn't be missing much.

Classicvanias (32-bit era)

• Super Castlevania IV (SNES) (1991)
  The first Castlevania on SNES. This is typically regarded as the "easiest" Castlevania game, which makes it a good entrypoint for the Classicvania style of games. You can shoot your whip in 8 different directions (rather than just left or right) which really helps manage the difficulty. I don't know what else to say about this game. It's good. Unless you have nostalgia for the 8-bit era, this is where you should start with Castlevania.

• Castlevania: Rondo of Blood (PC Engine Super CD-ROM) (1993)
  I'll admit I'd never heard of the PC Engine Super CD-ROM prior to digging into Castlevania's backlog. And the game never left Japan. But among fans of the franchise, this is typically considered the "best" of the Classicvanias mostly due to gameplay and level design. There isn't much here that's unique, it's just all done extremely well. There are some branching paths in each level and you can unlock another playable character if you take the correct diverting paths. There was a SNES game called Castlevania: Dracula X which was released in 1995. It re-used a lot of the sprite work from Rondo of Blood but is actually an entirely different game. You can't play Dracula X and claim you've played Rondo of Blood, even though they look similar. That isn't to say Dracula X is a bad game, it just isn't as good as Super Castlevania IV or Rondo of Blood, which were both available at this time. There was also a PSP game called Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles which was a 2.5D graphical upgrade of the original Rondo of Blood. As far as I can tell, playing that game is more similar to playing Rondo of Blood than playing Dracula X. Also, if you beat the game it unlocks the original (32-bit) version of Rondo of Blood.

• Castlevania: Bloodlines (Genesis) / Castlevania: The New Generation (MegaDrive) (1994)
  In America, it was called Genesis. In Europe, it was called MegaDrive. In America, it was called Bloodlines. In Europe, it was called The New Generation. Whatever. This is a fun game with some really good graphics at the time. You also get to choose one of two playable characters right at the beginning. One has a standard whip, the other has a longer-reaching spear. This is a solid Classicvania game. It isn't the "best", it isn't the "easiest", it's just a solid game. And it's better than Dracula X.

• Castlevania Chronicles (PSX) (1993/2001)
  In 1993, there was a Japan-only game called Akumajō Dracula for the X68000. It was intended to be a remake of the original Castlevania (NES) game. 8 years later, it was ported to the Playstation 1 as Castlevania Chronicles and released to the rest of the world. This game is an interesting throw-back to the Classicvania genre and is actually the last of its kind. No more Classicvania games have been made after this game. And that's because the entire Castlevania franchise was redirected thanks to:

Metroidvanias

• Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PSX) (1997)
  And here it is. The masterpiece. The game that defined Castlevania for all future games. If you want to play a Classicvania, you can play Dracula III, Super Castlevania IV, Rondo of Blood... there are plenty to choose from. But if you want a Metroidvania, you start here. Metroidvanias have become an entire genre of video games, an entire category in Steam. The genre's name is based on the two defining works of the genre: Super Metroid and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Those two games set the standard. And here we are.

Symphony of the Night took inspiration from that failed attempt at non-linear gameplay in Castlevania II: Simon's Quest and the successful non-linear exploration of Super Metroid. It also added RPG elements, with weapons and armor of differing stats that the player could equip. The beginning of the game has you playing as Richter Belmont and throws you right into a battle with Drcaula. This is actually the end of Rondo of Blood. After beating Dracula, you then play as Alucard for the rest of the game. So while Symphony of the Night is technically a sequel to Rondo of Blood, that opening sequence is the only real connection between the two. There's nothing else for me to say. This game defined a genre.

Igavanias

Koji Igarashi (known as Iga) was the assistant director on Symphony of the Night. After its success, he was given control of the Castlevania franchise and had a hand in all of the GBA and DS Castlevania games that came next. Basically, every metroidvania-style Castlevania game had Iga's involvement. All of them are good, all of them have the same level of quality, and I can barely remember the difference between any of them. They're all just "more Castlevania" to me. That isn't a bad thing, but this is where the franchise just blurs together as a non-stop barrage of metroidvanias. You really can't go wrong with any of them but I find it hard to rank them. The earlier games all had some quirk or oddity to discuss, but now we're into the meat of the franchise where they hit their stride and I don't have anything to add.

Game Boy Advance games

• Circle of the Moon (2001)
• Harmony of Dissonance (2002)
• Aria of Sorrow (2003)

Let's see... Circle of the Moon was released as a launch title for the GBA so it was of course more clunky and awkward than the games that came after. Aria of Sorrow introduces the character Soma Cruz, who is also the main character in Dawn of Sorrow, making it one of the few true "sequels" in the franchise. I remember nothing from Harmony of Dissonance. I'm sure it's fine.

Nintendo DS games

• Dawn of Sorrow (2005)
• Portrait of Ruin (2006)
• Order of Ecclesia (2008)

Again, Dawn of Sorrow is a direct sequel to Aria of Sorrow (for what it's worth). Portrait of Ruin has less of a connected map than most metroidvanias since you have to go into separate, distinct portraits that transport you to a different world. Order of Ecclesia is a great game and I don't remember anything specific.

All of the GBA games are available on steam as the Advance Collection. All of the DS games are available on steam as the Dominus Collection.

3D Games

While Classicvanias and Metroidvanias are where Castlevania shines, there have been a couple attempts to break into 3D gameplay.

• Castlevania (N64) (1999)
  The first attempt at 3D gameplay for the Castlevania franchise. It was awkward. This game isn't very good, even by N64 standards. Every N64 game at this time was trying to figure out exactly how to do 3D gameplay. How do you handle the camera? How do you actually "lock on" to an enemy so you don't miss? Also, this game was too ambitious and kept having to cut content in an attempt to hit their release date. It released in January of 1999.

• Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness (N64) (1999)
  The same year as Castlevania N64, Legacy of Darkness was released (in December). Legacy of Darkness is what Castlevania N64 was supposed to be. This is literally the game the development team had wanted when working on Castlevania N64. So it's more polished and coherent than Castlevania N64... but it's still clunky. I really don't have much love for the N64 era of games. This was the gaming industry as a whole trying to "figure out" how to make a 3D game. It took some time to perfect it.

• Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (PS2) (2003)
• Castlevania: Curse of Darkness (PS2) (2005)
  I didn't own a PS2... I never played these games. But by the PS2 timeframe, the gaming industry as a whole had figured out 3D gaming and I believe these games are well-regarded. I don't think they were award-winners, but they succeeded where the N64 Castlevania games failed. I'm sorry I can't go into more detail with these games but I believe they're worth playing.

The Reboot

• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow (all consoles) (2010)
  "Castlevania has been around for over 20 years doing the same thing! We need a REBOOT! What's that? 'God of War' is a popular game? LET'S MAKE ONE OF THOSE!"

• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate (all consoles) (2013)
  "What's that? Castlevania fans want something called a 'metroidvania'?? MAKE ONE OF THOSE!"

• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (all consoles) (2014)
  "Stealth games are popular now?? Make a Castlevania game with stealth in it!"

The Lords of Shadow series is an outlier in the franchise but are also the most recent Castlevania games to come out. It's a full reboot of the franchise and an attempt to make an actual storyline. They even hired Patrick Stewart to play the mentor character and got Hideo Kojima as a producer in the first game. They did their best to make this a AAA title.

The first Lords of Shadow game is very reminiscent of God of War (the Greek ones). Overall, it's a solid hack 'n' slash. I think the puzzles get a bit tedious and the game drags out, but it doesn't really do anything wrong.

After the first Lords of Shadow, they released Mirror of Fate, which was a 2.5D metroidvania game that followed the same storyline. While the graphics look a bit weird in this game, it was made by MercurySteam. MercurySteam later went on to make Metroid: Samus Returns and after that, Metroid Dread. So they know what they're doing. While it's strange to shove a 2.5D metroidvania in between two 3D-based hack 'n' slash games, it's a solid game in its own right.

Lords of Shadow 2 takes place in the modern day and is the first Castlevania game to let you play as Dracula. And yet, while playing as Dracula, you're forced into stealth sections where if a single human guard spots you the level restarts. As if Dracula can't handle a lone guard. If you can ignore the fact that you're Dracula doing all this, it's a perfectly serviceable action stealth game. It's also a direct sequel from Lords of Shadow 1 so you can't really jump straight into this game (If you care about the plot).

The Oddballs, Oddities, and Black Sheep

• Kid Dracula (Famicom/Game Boy) (1990)
  A parody/chibi spin-off of the Castlevania series. You play as a childish version of Dracula (or maybe Alucard?) in a standard Classicvania-style format. I always liked how in the Game Boy version, Kid Dracula's teacher (Death) asks if he's been practicing his abilities and he says no, he forgot everything. Then as you beat each level, he "remembers" something he was always able to do and it unlocks an ability (like turning into a bat). I just liked the idea that he could've always done these things, he just forgot because he's lazy.

• Haunted Castle (Arcade) (1988)
  This is such an awful arcade game. The main character's sprite is huge and so slow moving you can't even avoid most enemies. Just terrible. A Haunted Castle Revisited was included in the Castlevania: Dominus Collection but I haven't played it to know how much they improved it. Who knows, it might actually be playable now.

• Castlevania Judgment (Wii) (2008)
  A fighting game using Castlevania characters. But all the characters have been re-designed to be more anime-like so you can't even recognize them. Ridiculous sexy outfits and buckles everywhere.

• Bloodstained
  Koji Igarashi left Konami in 2014. Since his departure, Konami has not made another Castlevania game. But Iga wasn't done making Castlevania games. So he made his own. Bloodstained is basically a "spiritual successor" to the Castlevania franchise from the guy who made every metroidvania Castlevania game. Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night is a Castlevania game in all but name. It was actually the result of a successful kickstarter and one of the stretch goals was to make a Classicvania. That game is Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon. If you enjoy Castlevania games, you'll want to pay attention to the Bloodstained franchise.

That's it. That's every Castlevania game. If you're interested in Classicvanias, Super Castlevania IV is a great starting point. If you can handle that style of gameplay, branch out into Rondo of Blood or Bloodlines. If you're interested in metroidvanias, you start with Symphony of the Night. After that, any of the GBA or DS games are great. I barely consider the Lords of Shadow series to even be Castlevania, but they're perfectly fine "recent' games since everything else is retro. Thank you for joining me on this journey. I wonder how many people actually read all that.

I've played a lot of Castlevania games in my life and I wanted to break down all the various eras (as I see them) for anyone who hasn't played a Castlevania game before and might be interested. I'm going to cover all of the Castlevania games. So yes, this will be an extremely long and rambling post. We're going to see if Lemmy has any content limits for its posts.

The first thing to know about Castlevania games is that (almost) all of them have the same plot: someone resurrected Dracula (or is about to) and must be stopped. That's it. If a plot is present, that's the plot. Also, there are very few actual "sequels" throughout the entire franchise. This means there's no real continuity and you can jump in wherever you want. And with the magic of emulators, truly any of these games are available to you if you're interested.

In general (with some exceptions), Castlevania games fall into two categories. One which fans refer to as "Classicvania" and one that became "Metroidvania". Classicvanias are the "move to the right, fight a boss at the end" level-based games. Metroidvanias are the "entire map available at the start but you need additional abilities to access it all" type of game. I'll get into details later, I just wanted to clarify my section headings before diving in.

Classicvanias (8-bit era)

NES games:

• Castlevania (1986)
  The first one. It was released early in the life of the NES and is therefore more clunky than later games, but it sets the stage. The start screen has a film reel on it to show the major inspiration here is classic horror movie monsters. This isn't a horror game though, it's just a spooky game. As for gameplay, it's your standard "move to the right, fight a boss at the end" design. Overall, this is a tough game with knock-back (an enemy bumps into you and you fall into a pit) and some pixel-perfect jumps (I made that jump easily the first time, why can't I land it now??). With emulators and save states, it could still be fun. If you try to play it the way kids in the 80s were forced to though, you'll snap your controller in half.

• Castlevania II: Simon's Quest (1987)
  When the first Legend of Zelda game came out, it was a huge hit. It defined the top-down dungeon-crawling style of game on the NES. So naturally, for Zelda 2 they... completely reworked the entire gameplay and gave it side-scroller combat. Simon's Quest is a bit like that. After the success of the first Castlevania game, with its "move to the right, fight a boss at the end" design, they decided to completely rework the gameplay for the second game. Simon's Quest is non-linear. You have to talk to villagers to get clues, you have to collect items and then back-track to access a new area, and there's a day/night cycle (enemies are more difficult at night and villagers aren't around). This isn't an RPG though, it's just confusing. I said some villagers will give you clues, but some of those clues were mistranslated when brought to America so they weren't helpful at all. Today, this is a game you can't play without a walkthrough. It's ridiculous. I would absolutely skip this game unless you're a completionist.

• Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse (1989)
  Castlevania 3 is more of a "return to form" to Castlevania 1's gameplay and is better for it. This game also has some improvements. For example, after beating a stage, you can choose between one of two stages to go to next. This allows you to have more of a "journey" to Drcaula's castle. Also, you can unlock additional characters along the way. Between the level selection and additional playable characters, there's actually quite a bit of re-play value here. Personally, this is my favorite Castlevania of the NES era. Castlevania 1 is an interesting time capsule, Castlevania 2 is an awkward mess (in my opinion), and Castlevania 3 is what I consider NES Castlevania to be. One interesting thing to note here is the American version of this game is more difficult than the Japanese version. For whatever reason, the enemies in the American release do more damage. There's also some minor 8-bit nudity that had to be censored in the American release to protect those poor impressionable American children.

Game Boy games:

• Castlevania: The Adventure (1989)
  This was one of the first games released on the Game Boy, and it shows. It's another awkward, clunky mess. It's interesting how Castlevania games tend to be one of the initial titles on a new console... and are worse for it. It usually takes a couple years for developers to really figure out what a console can and can't do, and Castlevania games seem to be testing grounds. All that is to say, this is a terrible game. The character has slow movement, there are no sub-weapons, and you have to constantly climb ropes (which are hard to grab). This game was remastered as Castlevania: The Adventure ReBirth on the Wii and was improved in every single way for that release. You can play the original Game Boy title just to see what it's like, but I would recommend playing ReBirth if you actually want to try this game. You'll need to pirate the game of course since it was a WiiWare exclusive and Nintendo shut down the WiiWare shop.

• Castlevania II: Belmont's Revents (1991)
  There are some improvements here, like the addition of sub-weapons. Plus, it has a stage select screen like a Mega Man game where you can pick whichever level you want to complete first. Dracula's castle then unlocks after beating all the levels, like Wily's castle in Mega Man. Otherwise, it's still a game boy Castlevania game, it's pretty clunky.

• Castlevania: Legends (1997)
  The last Castlevania game on the Game Boy. This was released towards the end of the Game Boy's lifespan (the N64 was already available by this point) so it does a lot of things right. This is easily the best Castlevania game on the Game Boy but that's not saying much. The Game Boy had a small screen and limited hardware; so even when done right, these games are pretty minimal. You could skip all of the Game Boy Castlevania games and you wouldn't be missing much.

Classicvanias (32-bit era)

• Super Castlevania IV (SNES) (1991)
  The first Castlevania on SNES. This is typically regarded as the "easiest" Castlevania game, which makes it a good entrypoint for the Classicvania style of games. You can shoot your whip in 8 different directions (rather than just left or right) which really helps manage the difficulty. I don't know what else to say about this game. It's good. Unless you have nostalgia for the 8-bit era, this is where you should start with Castlevania.

• Castlevania: Rondo of Blood (PC Engine Super CD-ROM) (1993)
  I'll admit I'd never heard of the PC Engine Super CD-ROM prior to digging into Castlevania's backlog. And the game never left Japan. But among fans of the franchise, this is typically considered the "best" of the Classicvanias mostly due to gameplay and level design. There isn't much here that's unique, it's just all done extremely well. There are some branching paths in each level and you can unlock another playable character if you take the correct diverting paths. There was a SNES game called Castlevania: Dracula X which was released in 1995. It re-used a lot of the sprite work from Rondo of Blood but is actually an entirely different game. You can't play Dracula X and claim you've played Rondo of Blood, even though they look similar. That isn't to say Dracula X is a bad game, it just isn't as good as Super Castlevania IV or Rondo of Blood, which were both available at this time. There was also a PSP game called Castlevania: The Dracula X Chronicles which was a 2.5D graphical upgrade of the original Rondo of Blood. As far as I can tell, playing that game is more similar to playing Rondo of Blood than playing Dracula X. Also, if you beat the game it unlocks the original (32-bit) version of Rondo of Blood.

• Castlevania: Bloodlines (Genesis) / Castlevania: The New Generation (MegaDrive) (1994)
  In America, it was called Genesis. In Europe, it was called MegaDrive. In America, it was called Bloodlines. In Europe, it was called The New Generation. Whatever. This is a fun game with some really good graphics at the time. You also get to choose one of two playable characters right at the beginning. One has a standard whip, the other has a longer-reaching spear. This is a solid Classicvania game. It isn't the "best", it isn't the "easiest", it's just a solid game. And it's better than Dracula X.

• Castlevania Chronicles (PSX) (1993/2001)
  In 1993, there was a Japan-only game called Akumajō Dracula for the X68000. It was intended to be a remake of the original Castlevania (NES) game. 8 years later, it was ported to the Playstation 1 as Castlevania Chronicles and released to the rest of the world. This game is an interesting throw-back to the Classicvania genre and is actually the last of its kind. No more Classicvania games have been made after this game. And that's because the entire Castlevania franchise was redirected thanks to:

Metroidvanias

• Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (PSX) (1997)
  And here it is. The masterpiece. The game that defined Castlevania for all future games. If you want to play a Classicvania, you can play Dracula III, Super Castlevania IV, Rondo of Blood... there are plenty to choose from. But if you want a Metroidvania, you start here. Metroidvanias have become an entire genre of video games, an entire category in Steam. The genre's name is based on the two defining works of the genre: Super Metroid and Castlevania: Symphony of the Night. Those two games set the standard. And here we are.

Symphony of the Night took inspiration from that failed attempt at non-linear gameplay in Castlevania II: Simon's Quest and the successful non-linear exploration of Super Metroid. It also added RPG elements, with weapons and armor of differing stats that the player could equip. The beginning of the game has you playing as Richter Belmont and throws you right into a battle with Drcaula. This is actually the end of Rondo of Blood. After beating Dracula, you then play as Alucard for the rest of the game. So while Symphony of the Night is technically a sequel to Rondo of Blood, that opening sequence is the only real connection between the two. There's nothing else for me to say. This game defined a genre.

Igavanias

Koji Igarashi (known as Iga) was the assistant director on Symphony of the Night. After its success, he was given control of the Castlevania franchise and had a hand in all of the GBA and DS Castlevania games that came next. Basically, every metroidvania-style Castlevania game had Iga's involvement. All of them are good, all of them have the same level of quality, and I can barely remember the difference between any of them. They're all just "more Castlevania" to me. That isn't a bad thing, but this is where the franchise just blurs together as a non-stop barrage of metroidvanias. You really can't go wrong with any of them but I find it hard to rank them. The earlier games all had some quirk or oddity to discuss, but now we're into the meat of the franchise where they hit their stride and I don't have anything to add.

Game Boy Advance games

• Circle of the Moon (2001)
• Harmony of Dissonance (2002)
• Aria of Sorrow (2003)

Let's see... Circle of the Moon was released as a launch title for the GBA so it was of course more clunky and awkward than the games that came after. Aria of Sorrow introduces the character Soma Cruz, who is also the main character in Dawn of Sorrow, making it one of the few true "sequels" in the franchise. I remember nothing from Harmony of Dissonance. I'm sure it's fine.

Nintendo DS games

• Dawn of Sorrow (2005)
• Portrait of Ruin (2006)
• Order of Ecclesia (2008)

Again, Dawn of Sorrow is a direct sequel to Aria of Sorrow (for what it's worth). Portrait of Ruin has less of a connected map than most metroidvanias since you have to go into separate, distinct portraits that transport you to a different world. Order of Ecclesia is a great game and I don't remember anything specific.

All of the GBA games are available on steam as the Advance Collection. All of the DS games are available on steam as the Dominus Collection.

3D Games

While Classicvanias and Metroidvanias are where Castlevania shines, there have been a couple attempts to break into 3D gameplay.

• Castlevania (N64) (1999)
  The first attempt at 3D gameplay for the Castlevania franchise. It was awkward. This game isn't very good, even by N64 standards. Every N64 game at this time was trying to figure out exactly how to do 3D gameplay. How do you handle the camera? How do you actually "lock on" to an enemy so you don't miss? Also, this game was too ambitious and kept having to cut content in an attempt to hit their release date. It released in January of 1999.

• Castlevania: Legacy of Darkness (N64) (1999)
  The same year as Castlevania N64, Legacy of Darkness was released (in December). Legacy of Darkness is what Castlevania N64 was supposed to be. This is literally the game the development team had wanted when working on Castlevania N64. So it's more polished and coherent than Castlevania N64... but it's still clunky. I really don't have much love for the N64 era of games. This was the gaming industry as a whole trying to "figure out" how to make a 3D game. It took some time to perfect it.

• Castlevania: Lament of Innocence (PS2) (2003)
• Castlevania: Curse of Darkness (PS2) (2005)
  I didn't own a PS2... I never played these games. But by the PS2 timeframe, the gaming industry as a whole had figured out 3D gaming and I believe these games are well-regarded. I don't think they were award-winners, but they succeeded where the N64 Castlevania games failed. I'm sorry I can't go into more detail with these games but I believe they're worth playing.

The Reboot

• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow (all consoles) (2010)
  "Castlevania has been around for over 20 years doing the same thing! We need a REBOOT! What's that? 'God of War' is a popular game? LET'S MAKE ONE OF THOSE!"

• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow - Mirror of Fate (all consoles) (2013)
  "What's that? Castlevania fans want something called a 'metroidvania'?? MAKE ONE OF THOSE!"

• Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 (all consoles) (2014)
  "Stealth games are popular now?? Make a Castlevania game with stealth in it!"

The Lords of Shadow series is an outlier in the franchise but are also the most recent Castlevania games to come out. It's a full reboot of the franchise and an attempt to make an actual storyline. They even hired Patrick Stewart to play the mentor character and got Hideo Kojima as a producer in the first game. They did their best to make this a AAA title.

The first Lords of Shadow game is very reminiscent of God of War (the Greek ones). Overall, it's a solid hack 'n' slash. I think the puzzles get a bit tedious and the game drags out, but it doesn't really do anything wrong.

After the first Lords of Shadow, they released Mirror of Fate, which was a 2.5D metroidvania game that followed the same storyline. While the graphics look a bit weird in this game, it was made by MercurySteam. MercurySteam later went on to make Metroid: Samus Returns and after that, Metroid Dread. So they know what they're doing. While it's strange to shove a 2.5D metroidvania in between two 3D-based hack 'n' slash games, it's a solid game in its own right.

Lords of Shadow 2 takes place in the modern day and is the first Castlevania game to let you play as Dracula. And yet, while playing as Dracula, you're forced into stealth sections where if a single human guard spots you the level restarts. As if Dracula can't handle a lone guard. If you can ignore the fact that you're Dracula doing all this, it's a perfectly serviceable action stealth game. It's also a direct sequel from Lords of Shadow 1 so you can't really jump straight into this game (If you care about the plot).

The Oddballs, Oddities, and Black Sheep

• Kid Dracula (Famicom/Game Boy) (1990)
  A parody/chibi spin-off of the Castlevania series. You play as a childish version of Dracula (or maybe Alucard?) in a standard Classicvania-style format. I always liked how in the Game Boy version, Kid Dracula's teacher (Death) asks if he's been practicing his abilities and he says no, he forgot everything. Then as you beat each level, he "remembers" something he was always able to do and it unlocks an ability (like turning into a bat). I just liked the idea that he could've always done these things, he just forgot because he's lazy.

• Haunted Castle (Arcade) (1988)
  This is such an awful arcade game. The main character's sprite is huge and so slow moving you can't even avoid most enemies. Just terrible. A Haunted Castle Revisited was included in the Castlevania: Dominus Collection but I haven't played it to know how much they improved it. Who knows, it might actually be playable now.

• Castlevania Judgment (Wii) (2008)
  A fighting game using Castlevania characters. But all the characters have been re-designed to be more anime-like so you can't even recognize them. Ridiculous sexy outfits and buckles everywhere.

• Bloodstained
  Koji Igarashi left Konami in 2014. Since his departure, Konami has not made another Castlevania game. But Iga wasn't done making Castlevania games. So he made his own. Bloodstained is basically a "spiritual successor" to the Castlevania franchise from the guy who made every metroidvania Castlevania game. Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night is a Castlevania game in all but name. It was actually the result of a successful kickstarter and one of the stretch goals was to make a Classicvania. That game is Bloodstained: Curse of the Moon. If you enjoy Castlevania games, you'll want to pay attention to the Bloodstained franchise.

That's it. That's every Castlevania game. If you're interested in Classicvanias, Super Castlevania IV is a great starting point. If you can handle that style of gameplay, branch out into Rondo of Blood or Bloodlines. If you're interested in metroidvanias, you start with Symphony of the Night. After that, any of the GBA or DS games are great. I barely consider the Lords of Shadow series to even be Castlevania, but they're perfectly fine "recent' games since everything else is retro. Thank you for joining me on this journey. I wonder how many people actually read all that.

I know there's a pinned post about what demos we found in Steam Next Fest but I wanted to make separate post about this one because I don't think anyone would've noticed it otherwise.

This game has a pirate fantasy setting kinda like the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. It's such a fun aesthetic, I wish there was more in this genre. Anyway, you play as Davy Jones and you're killed by Blackbeard. Your body and decapitated head are reunited in the underworld and the head is dedicated to getting revenge.

It's a first-person shooter where you have a gun and a sword. The combat is a bit clunky in this demo but the world-building is so fun I can't wait to play the full game.

Also, if anyone knows about any more "pirate fantasy" games let me know. I don't want realism, I want ghosts and kraken and ridiculous monsters. The only other game I'm aware of in this genre is Shadow Gambit: The Cursed Crew but there's got to be more than that.

There are a lot of great vampire franchises and series out there but most of them wouldn’t be able to carry an entire Lemmy community by themselves. So I created !vampires@lemmy.zip as a place to discuss any and all vampire media. Come join!

There are a lot of great vampire franchises and series out there but most of them wouldn't be able to carry an entire Lemmy community by themselves. So I created !vampires@lemmy.zip as a place to discuss any and all vampire media. Come join!

Ninjas wouldn't usually be considered "weird" enough for a Weird Western but this is a highly-stylized movie where the ninjas can basically fly. They might as well be mythical creatures given how ridiculously they're portrayed here.

Of course, like most movies I've mentioned here, this isn't a good movie. So lower any expectations. It takes a while to get started and basically the first half of the movie is "slice of life" as the main character settles into his new life. Also, there's something weird with the lighting where I can't tell if the entire movie was filmed on a sound stage or if all the backgrounds are cgi (probably both).

Here's a trailer. You can watch it on Amazon Prime, Tubi, Vudu, and Plex.

According to the synopsis, this game is a "Wild West-themed roguelite FPS" where you play as a "gunslinger in limbo, involved in a gritty war against "The Cartel", a ruthless organization harvesting souls to break free of the shackles of the afterlife." So that sounds like a Weird West to me!

Just from watching the video, I wasn't sure if it'd be a Weird West or not. Some of the architecture looks Western but other parts just look like ancient ruins. It's weird how the architecture is the deciding factor here, since there's also the game Witchfire which looks to have the same game mechanic of casting spells with a gun. But Witchfire definitely uses more European/Medieval architecture in their level design. So Witchfire doesn't appear to be a Weird Western to me. Yet given the synopsis for Soulslinger, I'll say that one is a Weird Western. It's weird where I draw the line.

Anyway, Soulslinger is in Early Access on Steam and Witchfire is in Early Access on the Epic Games Store.

In the pinned post on this community I said I was no expert on the genre and just a casual fan who wanted to share the few Weird West works I've found. I tried to drag this out as long as I could and keep the community active by only posting one thing each day but I've finally run out of things to post. You're still welcome to post here if you want, but I expect this community will just sit idle with no one actively trying to post content anymore.

I could try posting random things that almost kind of look Weird West, but I'd rather not. Otherwise, I'll end up posting things like Priest. Priest takes place in a cyberpunk future dominated by the Catholic church and under constant threat of vampire attacks. But if you leave the cyberpunk city, suddenly it's the Wild West. There's no explanation given as to why everyone dresses and talks like it's the Wild West as soon as you leave the futuristic cyberpunk city. But Karl Urban plays the villain, a vampire named Black Hat. So that's pretty great.

It's a fun movie as long as you don't question anything. And it's a Weird West as long as you ignore all the cyberpunk stuff. See, that's the best I've got and it's a quite a stretch.

If I come across any other Weird West content I'll be sure to post it here, but I'm not going to force myself to come up with something every day. I just wanted to make this post to let everyone know this community is about to get a lot quieter. Thanks!

I know the poster makes it look animated, but this is a live action movie. It comes from the man behind the bands Misfits and Danzig. Which is to say, he's not a filmmaker. Or wasn't until recently. So even if you've set your expectations low, this sounds like a truly terrible movie.

I haven't seen it, but I found a review:

There isn’t really a story to be found in Death Rider in the House of Vampires; just a setup that allows a bunch of characters to interact. Sometimes there’s a shootout; sometimes vampires are turned to dust.
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There is no economy of storytelling here. Or ever. These opening ten minutes of screen time could easily be combined into three or four, and Death Rider would be better for it. It’s true throughout the film’s 90-minute runtime – there’s maybe an hour of material that’s been padded out

So I'd only recommend this to fans of Weird West who have a high tolerance for terrible movies. Here's a trailer. I can't find it streaming anywhere though.

...And another Weird Western I've never actually seen. Honestly, it looks a bit too silly for my tastes but it definitely falls within the category of modern day Weird West. Have any of you seen it? Is it worth watching?

Here's a trailer. You can watch it on Netflix, and I guess I could too!

I mentioned in the pinned post on this community that once I start posting Weird West movies that take place in the modern day you'll know I'm starting to run out of ideas. Well, we've reached that point.

Ghost Town takes place in the modern day (of 1988, when the movie was made). It's about a girl who gets kidnapped by a bunch of zombies in an old west ghost town and only a modern-day sheriff can save her. I'll be honest with you, I've never seen this movie. I just came across it while looking for lists of Weird West movies and this looks right up my alley. I wish it was streaming somewhere.

Here's a trailer. And seriously, let me know if you find it streaming somewhere.

I may be limiting myself too much, but so far I've been defining Weird West as fiction that takes place in 1800s America and incorporates supernatural/fantasy elements. That is to say, I haven't been including any Space Westerns. What defines supernatural/fantasy may be a bit broad, but whether something takes place in 1800s America has been pretty easy to determine.

So I was trying to think of any anime I've seen that might qualify as Weird West. And yet all I can think of are actually futuristic anime that happen to look Western. GUNxSWORD, Cannon Busters, and Trigun all look Western yet they all take place on some distant planet in the future. The closest thing I can find is Gun Frontier, which I'm pretty sure is just a straight-forward Western with no "Weird" elements (I haven't seen it).

Does anyone know of any Weird West anime? Or does all anime that takes place in a "Western" setting actually take place in the future? Given how much anime is out there, I have to assume some Weird West anime exists and I've just never heard of it.