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10 arrested for writing gay erotica in China as part of nationwide crackdown
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this post was submitted on 05 Jan 2025
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Can’t have anything nice in china. Sad.
Opposing the sex industry is a common and principled left stance. It is only in capitalist countries where their cops are funded to harrass people and Johns are rarely punished where there has been a need for a "sex work is work" movement.
In countries run or established by communists, they were often facing racial or otherwise imperialist systemic rape ("comfort women" for Japanese imperialists, for example), recognized how this worked in both slavery and "transactional" capacities, and correctly banned it. Things like erotica were swept up in this total purge of marketing sex, and enforcement is inconsistent as it is usually regional.
Please so your best to educate yourself, be accurate in your summaries, and to not be sinophobic.
Sex workers are workers, end of story.
I understand you Americans have fucked up views on sex workers and treat them like shit, but that is on you.
Also Australia women were taken as comfort women by Japan, and yet we still legalise and protect our sex workers.
Most things labelled "sex work" are actually human trafficking and most Western left groups that oppose expansion of the sex industry and even want it banned are made up of former "sex workers". So no, not end of story, you do need to actually investigate the topic and understand it as more than a slogan.
This is not exclusive to the United States.
Was Australia occupied and had its people constantly forced into slavery roles, including rape, by the occupiers? Comparing a handful of captured during the war vs. decades of occupation and society-level abuse is disgusting.
Since you are presumably in Australia, can you tell me some stats on human trafficking there?
And all work is coercive.
So what's it called when you coerce someone for sex?
Oh so you want to abolish all farmers and factory work? Sorry, didn’t know I was talking to a a ComPrim.
Lefties characterize much of labor under capitalism as wage slavery that builds profit off of injured bodies. And they seek to undo those conditions. Are you aware of anyone here that looks at those who must injure themselves to work and does not want that to go away?
Your responses here are a confused mileu. It seems like you know basically nothing about others' stances but feel like you still deserve an (dismissive) opinion. Who taught you that this was okay?
I wonder who taught you to end every comment with an insult, trying to use shame to coerce silence instead of using rational thinking and supportive behavior to convince people on your ideas.
Or is your goal to just push people away and remind them of how they don’t want anything to do with the “left”
I haven't ended any comment with insults. I have called out poor behavior and racism/xenophobia, however.
My approach, generally speaking, is to engage fairly patiently and neutrally until it is clear that others are abusing this or if their behavior crosses serious lines like national chauvinism or ridiculous levels of condescension and bad faith, which is how you are approaching every disagreeing comment. Because at that point, ignoring the poor behavior tends to lead to it getting even worse.
Look at how absurd this language is. You'd think I had arrested you and am now publicly berating you before throwing you in jail rather than correcting ignorant opinions and suggesting being less arrogant and national chauvinist when presented with disagreeing opinions.
There is no coercion in me telling you to be curious and humble or not national chauvinist. However, there is a ton of actual coercion in the sex industry. Try to have some perspective.
I have presented rational thinking and look at how you and the Australian have responsed. And I would be happy to be supportive - so long as you recant the sinophobic statements and orientation you have presented. Because I'm not going to support that.
lmao you think growing the left is about tolerating arrogance and national chauvinism?
Critique of work isn't monopolized by primmies. 🙄
I want a post-work society. Don't you?
Yes and for that we need literal sci-fi technology.
Until that day we will need to work to some degree to uphold living.
Yes, we are limited by our material conditions. I'm not a moralist.
But sex work is not one of the forms of work we need to uphold living.
You certainly are a moralist.
Sex workers play an important role in society, especially in helping ND or otherwisely abeled people.
And sex work is coercive and exploitative, like all work. Sex workers are forced to play that role, just like we're all forced to do our jobs. And what's it called when you coerce someone for sex? Work is wage slavery, so what does that make sex work?
EDIT To clarify, I'm not speaking specifically about erotic literature. I actually don't think it should be treated the same as all other so-called "sex work." But no one should have to have sex with me just because I pay them.
If your mom had to start working as a prostitute from now on, would you think this is ok because all work is work?
If she had to do that because she had no choice? That would be horrible. If she started an OnlyFans because she enjoyed the attention, I’d be embarrassed, but good for her.
if you're doing it for fun you're not exchanging money
this is mental gymnastics
If I have a job I love, I still get paid ;) this is not mental gymnastics.
it's not mental gymnastics because listen to this hypothetical
I have been listening to your hypotheticals the entire time
I don't think you're following the conversation closely so I'll repeat myself:
Work isn't coercive because I can imagine someone who enjoys their job.
Homelessness is fake.
Some brains are smoothier than others
Yup. I know it’s hard for you to understand, but thanks for trying.
I don’t think they are from America ;)
HISSSSSSS 😾
A convenient excuse to stifle a person's consenting sexuality and agency. Written erotica hurts no one, and those arguing otherwise are falling into their authoritarian tendencies.
If you don't like sex work like pictured/video pornography and prostitution I can at least understand your reasoning. Both have massive issues of trafficking and sexual slavery. But swinging the hammer down like this on written erotica is purely authoritarian. And trying to justify arrests made as "inconsistent enforcement" is giving cover, purposeful or otherwise, to that authoritarianism.
Sex work IS work. Erotica IS sex work. Please try to educate yourself.
Most things labeled as "sex work" is human trafficking. I am educated and I regularly organize with former participants in the sex industry.
We are talking about fiction stories, so let’s bring that back. I asked you a question in another thread, I’m ending this one.
Please do your best to reply to what I say rather than changing the subject. You can always choose to just not reply if you don't have an actual response.
I’m just doing what you’re doing, not talking about the topic the other person wants to talk about. Show me I’m wrong by talking about the topic I want to talk about, the original post. Show me the changing the topic was not your intention.
I am directly quoting and responding to basically everything said to me, lol. You might be projecting, as own comments are rife with deflections and topic changes. I ignored this 3-4 times before making a note of it just now.
I mean, you have said many things related to the original post and I have addressed many of them. You are, after the fact, trying to invent there being only one relevant and restricted original topic, which is, hilariously, not something you ever explicitly stated until just now. You haven't even really stated it, you are couching it in a question.
Feel free to make a top level comment about "the original topic" and I will feel free to respond to it or not.