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You're not a bad guy, but this is kind of a bad faith argument, saying that a 14yo not being comfortable with their gender is just a phase they'll grow out of (like any other stupid kid / teenager phase). Does it happen? sure, of course it does. But it's not 'just a phase' for the VAST majority of trans pre adults. If you're scared that someone will change their mind and keep them from doing anything until 18, then they get hit with full wrong gender puberty and change their bodies in ways they can't undo. Most of the older trans women I know transitioned in adulthood, and it sucks to say but they still sound like a dude talking. They hate it. They wish so bad they could have been allowed to do this as early as possible. They knew exactly what was going on, but had to wait. It's up to parents to know their kids and say are you sure? are you SURE? REALLY? yeah? ok cool let's do this then. Why make them suffer longer?
Ok, but where do you draw the line? Is it ok to treat non trans kids for gender affirming care? How far do you let it go?
Non-trans kids who want extreme changes to their body go to the same doctor that trans kids do: a psychotherapist and/or psychiatrist.
No one just getting any of your example body mods without serious psychological evaluation, even adults.
Nah, nobody here has been talking about psycotherapist. If that was all it was, everything would be cool. This is about body modifications. Which no kid should be doing. Leave it till 18
Talk to therapists all you want
And no one is getting that kind of body modifications without talking to one first. Your ignorance of the medical community is on full display.
Ok? And your point is?
The fact that children are getting body modigicatiks after talking is still the problem.
It sucks people are born into the wrong body. I wish it didn't happen. But it does.
And if you start letting one group of kids start making body modifications, where do you draw the line of too much? Why would it be fair for a group to completely change gender but not for another to add more modifications the help theirs.
And this whole thread started by Argentina blocking those life altering changes. They didn't stop therepy or anything, atleast not from what I've seen. The article was super short and Google results didn't lead to much.
If they did then I'm sorry for the previous ignorance. But my original argument said dress and act a certain way all you want. And I'll add we need to crack down on people bullying those that want to transition. I just don't think the answer is let the child start transitioning. And it sucks for those that truly do know early that they should be yhe other gender.
But like, what about short people that know if they were taller than would have everything. What about kids who think if just had the one part of their body diffrent everything would be better? At what point do we stop the idealization that if we were just diffrent everything would be better and start helping kids in other ways.
Then you need to pay attention. They lie about surgery and ban the therapy and puberty blocking medications.
Aaaaannnnd there it is - the unwillingness to accept reality.
Reality has been explained to you using factual terms, backed up with sources, and yet you still refuse to accept it. You've shown your true colors.
As they say: you first
No, because you've been arguing in bad faith. At this point the onus is on you.
Absolute yes, puberty blockers weren't even invented for trans kids. Early puberty is a thing and a problem that's treated using puberty blockers, the same that a trans person would use.
My son nearly had to go on puberty blockers, as he was starting to show signs of early puberty. We talked to our pediatrician, who ultimately determined that he's not starting puberty just yet. Turns out he's just a really rambunctious and rowdy 8 year old.
Thats literally not the same thing. CPP can cause actual health problems past wanting to kill yourself.
The drugs in this case it to make suure kid, primarily girls, can grow to their full height and bot have spinal issues due to that, lower cancer rates, and significantly lower the chances of diabetes.
Not thebsame