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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And I pose to you all those evil things are CENTRAL to the actions of a true believer in Christ, as they've proven to be, for the last 1700 years, that any fantasy about love, forgiveness, acceptance and peace is the fairy tale Christians tell themselves while they're forcefully decimating anyone that doesn't believe what they do

[–] Leg@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I like to point out that one of the first lessons the Bible teaches the reader is one of hierarchy and inherent supremacy over others. Eve is lesser to Adam, as all women should be to all men. Man is the dominator of the land, bending nature to his whims. All men are to worship a supreme being because he's bigger, stronger, more powerful, and these are respected traits held by any authority. It's baked into the values that some of us should be supreme to others, and the inherent violence of this philosophy can be used to justify wars and genocide, as has happened time and again.

Christianity is only good if you use confirmation bias to pick out the parts you like, but the whole text creates drones and fascists by design. I believe in God, but I would never in my life subscribe to Christian beliefs (not even getting into the open hostility the church has held against my particular section of belief throughout history that persists to this day).

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's worse than that. The first lesson is that God created Adam and Eve without the knowledge of good and evil. Then Satan tricked Eve into eating the fruit. She didn't know better until after she ate it, nor did Adam. But God punished her and Adam for doing something when they didn't know any better. So the lesson is that God is arbitrary and can change the rules on you at any time if he feels like fucking with you. And you are expected to say "Thank you Sir, may I have another?" It very much reinforces the view that the deity is a petulant child and we're his ant farm. And yeah, the hierarchical view and the idea of God as the Big Alpha Male in the Sky is part of it too.

[–] GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'd like to add that God, being omnipotent, knew they'd break the "rules," and went ahead punishing them just the same. Seems to me like the punishment was the point all along.

Very love. Wow.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

I agree that basically all religion is bad, but for what it's worth, in the story Eve knows she shouldn't eat the fruit, and she isn't tricked, she's tempted. Those are different things. It doesn't make god any less of a jerk, but mistakes like that can sometimes make people disregard a whole argument because they think you don't know what you're talking about.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

the lesson is that God is arbitrary and can change the rules on you at any time if he feels like fucking with you. And you are expected to say "Thank you Sir, may I have another?"

Checks out if you define "God" as "the universe, time, all of existence". Probably one of the more useful and realistic lessons in the old testament.