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[–] neineon77@lemmy.blahaj.zone 112 points 1 week ago (39 children)

seeing alot of transphobia in the comments, light and probably accidental but yes deadnaming caitlyn is transphobia even if she fucking sucks.

it shows the trans people here that your acceptance is conditional on us agreeing with you.

you can call her out for her bs without deadnaming her

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

is conditional on us agreeing with you.

Not exactly. If anything it's conditional on you not selling your allies/kin down the river.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Except that by misgendering her you're causing harm to the trans community as a whole. We don't misgender cisgender people when they are bad people. Misgendering transgender people who do bad things only shows that respecting transgender identity is conditional and can be revoked by other people. It's not. It's who we are. Even if someone is a trash fire human being they still should be gendered correctly.

Transphobes will read comments misgendering or deadnaming Caitlyn and cheer along. There are far, far better ways to vocalize disapproval of her. Ways that don't hurt other trans people.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I appreciate your point. A few months ago I was in a discussion with someone on Lemmy about the strategy of maliciously complying with someone that has insincerely stated a preference for neo-pronouns. The example in the discussion was Elon Musk claiming "prosecute/Fauci" as pronouns, but insincere pronouns aren't necessarily so easily spotted. (My position was and is that it's okay to maliciously comply with someone's professed pronouns to demonstrate that person's insincerity)

If you're not tired of tutoring ignorant allies I'd really appreciate your opinion on that dilemma.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

The concept is that normalizing dead naming as an insult will result in a cascading effect that harms trans people across the board, right? I'm not trans, but it should be pretty obvious - dead naming is dead naming even if you're a piece of shit liar.

Rights for one are rights for all. Even elmo

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