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When?
That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying.
Again, that's the opposite of what I'm saying. We can make a change, but protests aren't how it gets done.
"When?"
Gandhi freed India(1947
The Civil Right Act.(1964)
Women's Suffrage(1920)
nearly every labor right you enjoy(from 200 years ago up to today)
nearly every civil right you enjoy.(sames)
There are literally countless examples.
All of your privileges you take for granted and are blissfully ignorant of were bestowed upon you by caring citizens who took the time to demonstrate their political will.
This is exactly what I mean. You are gaslit into thinking those were accomplished through protests and not violent riots.
To be fair the liberation of India wasn't accomplished through violence, at least not mainly. It wasn't accomplished through protest either, mind you; Ghandi's approach was simply not supporting the British occupation (which needed Indian collaboration to function) and letting it collapse under its own weight.
I wasn't going to spend time getting into the nuance of each example and how protests didn't actually cause the change that person thinks they did.
those wins were accomplished through protests, and this sounds like it's going to shock you, but a violent mob is a form of protest.
You're still agreeing with me, despite your efforts.
Whatever you want to tell yourself.
those are the facts, Jack.
If you want to play, make believy and not believe in history, that's your fountain to splash around in.
You keep believing that.
It's pretty easy for me to believe in facts, so...sure.
Yep, and keep believing those facts are the reason for change and don't look any further into it. Believe the narrative you were told. That's the very definition of being gaslit. Keep living that blissfully ignorant life, keep protesting, keep pretending you're making a change, and things will just keep the same without change. When you're ready to make a real change, let me know.
"Believe the narrative you were told"
that is literally what you are doing.
"That's the very definition of being gaslit."
Yes, you have successfully been gaslit by the people you are so afraid of.
you believe that protests are useless and activism is passivism, which is what you are exhibiting.
your head's on backwards.
"When you're ready to make a real change, let me know."
your head is in the sand, you are literally advocating for giving up your civil rights, you aren't helping anyone and there is nothing you can do to help.
All you're doing is crying about how nothing can change because you don't know how to change it.
Nope
Nope
Quite literally the opposite. I know that protesting doesn't work. How did that protesting help stop the genocide in Gaza? How did protesting help stop the over turning of Roe v Wade? Hell, both sides do it, so how effective were the years of pro life protests? No, the real way to change things is through actual political movement or violence. The pro life movement got what they wanted through decades of court packing, creating the federalist society, and years of planning. It would be a lot easier if what you wish was true, was actually true. However, the ruling class has convinced you that protesting is effective because they know it isn't.
I know you'll likely want the last word again, and you will again try to say I'm the one ignoring reality while you continue to wear your blinders and believe what you're fed. However, this is my last response here. Good luck with your protesting, I wish it was that easy. At least you'll feel like you did something so you can sit on your pretend high horse.
"Quite literally the opposite"
nope.
"the real way to change things is through actual political movement..."
bizarre that so many of you professed "naysayers" use total agreement with my original as some means of argument.
i'll take it anyway. I think that's all of you now that's come around too admitting that protesting works.
"the ruling class has convinced you that protesting is effective because they know it isn't."
All this shows is that you've been brainwashed, you literally don't believe historical fact, widely accepted widely documented historical fact.
you needed deprogramming, that's just a remnant.
you're welcome, I guess my deprogramming of you worked pretty well.
"I'm the one ignoring reality"
You're not ignoring it, you're afraid of it and are hiding from it to avoid personal responsibility.
"Good luck with your protesting, I wish it was that easy"
literally already changing the face of the nation by judicial injunction.
luck has nothing to do with it.
"... you'll want the last word again..."
not how last words work.
Sorry to burst the bubble.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign
I really want to be in a time of history where rapid, positive political change is possible through non-violence alone. Those levers were taken away by decades of anti-electoralism/accelerationism and it's always easier to break things than to build them.
again, this 100% agrees with my thesis that protests are effective, your pretense of argument is nonsensical.
thank you for proving me right again, and if you want to pretend that proving me correct somehow benefits you, go for it.