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[–] drop_and_run@sh.itjust.works -5 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

People should be free to come and go and work and play anywhere they want, anywhere on the planet.

So, for example in a neighborhood, everyone is free to live in whichever house they please, with no obligations for maintenance or utilities (i.e. the duties and responsibilities of citizenship). How would that work out?

First, naturally, people would head to the nicest house on the block. Eventually, it would get too full and too dilapidated so people would move to the next nicest house, and so on until the "niceness" of each house reaches an equilibrium point where there is no longer incentive to move because the next house is just as nice (or not) as the one you're living in.

Should anyone try to "fix up" a house and succeed, theirs will become the nicest house on the block, attracting everyone to move in. Very quickly, their effort will be negated and everyone will move back out since it isn't nice anymore.

The only stable equilibrium for this system is one in which all houses are equally miserable, and getting even worse. That's why houses have locks, and that's why countries have borders.

[–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

What about the EU, where most countries have open borders? I dont see romanians all go to Belgium, Germany, France, where life is so much better. Last time i checked, Hungary still has a population and its even bigger than Norway

This assumes everyone would do things in their own short time self interest and ignores a lot of factors

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 4 points 15 hours ago

If only people had friends, meaningful occupations, local amenities they enjoyed.

Something that would cause them to be invested in the wellbeing of the community, town, neighbourhood they had chosen to live in.

If only there was some way for the other people who lived somewhere to think about the future of their homes and community.

Shame capitalism inventivises against all that in favour of profits and convenience. 🤷🏽

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

First off, shitty analogy for equating paying taxes.

Second, if everyone is treated like a citizen no matter how they come to live in a place, then why wouldn't they pay taxes the same way I and most everyone else does; by having it automatically deducted from our pay before we even get the check? The only reason illegal immigrants don't contribute this way is because the system prevents it. And the system only prevents it so that racists have an excuse as to why certain groups of people should be excluded from things without straight up saying it's because they don't want to see people that aren't carbon copies of themselves.