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  • Mozilla is updating its new Terms of Use for Firefox due to criticism over unclear language about user data.
  • Original terms seemed to give Mozilla broad ownership of user data, causing concern.
  • Updated terms emphasize limited scope of data interaction, stating Mozilla only needs rights necessary to operate Firefox.
  • Mozilla acknowledges confusion and aims to clarify their intent to make Firefox work without owning user content.
  • Company explains they don't make blanket claims of "never selling data" due to evolving legal definitions and obligations.
  • Mozilla collects and shares some data with partners to keep Firefox commercially viable, but ensures data is anonymized or shared in aggregate.
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[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Some jurisdictions classify "sale" as broadly as "transfer of data to any other company, for a 'benefit' of any kind" Benefit could even be non-monetary in terms of money being transferred for the data, it could be something as broadly as "the browser generally improving using that data and thus being more likely to generate revenue."

To avoid frivolous lawsuits, Mozilla had to update their terms to clarify this in order to keep up with newer laws.

[–] obinice@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago

I agree, I don't want my browser provider to collect any data on me at all, but if they absolutely must gather the absolute minimum system analytics stats or such they should NEVER pass it to a third party for ANY reason.

You make a desktop browser application, that's your job, to provide a portal to the world wide web, nothing more. Stay within your bounds and we'll never have any problem.

[–] mle86@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think this is a reasonable explanation.

But I also believe a large part of the firefox user base does not want any data about them collected by their browser, no matter if it is for commercial purposes or simply analytics / telemetry. Which is why the original statement "we will never sell any of your data" was just good enough for them, and anything mozilla is now saying is basically not good enough, no matter how much they clarify it to mean "not selling in the colloquial sense"

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 hours ago

Which is a ridiculous thing to want for most users and exposes how little so much of the self-identified "techie" crowd actually understands about how this stuff works.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean...if they pay for the service of external analization of data in exchange of money, how is that a sale of goods/data?

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ask the lawmakers who wrote the laws with vague language, because according to them, that kind of activity could be considered a sale.

As a more specific example that is more one-sided, but still not technically a "sale," Mozilla has sponsored links on the New Tab page. (they can be disabled of course)

These links are provided by a third-party, relatively privacy protecting ad marketplace. Your browser downloads a list of links from them if you have sponsored links turned on, and no data is actually sent to their service about you. If you click a sponsored link, a request is sent using a protocol that anonymizes your identity, that tells them the link was clicked. That's it, no other data about your identity, browser, etc.

This generates revenue for Mozilla that isn't reliant on Google's subsidies, that doesn't actually sell user data. Under these laws, that would be classified as a sale of user data, since Mozilla technically transferred data from your device (that you clicked the sponsored link) for a benefit. (financial compensation)

However, I doubt anyone would call that feature "selling user data." But, because the law could do so, they have to clarify that in their terms, otherwise someone could sue them saying "you sold my data" when all they did was send a small packet to a server saying that some user, somewhere clicked the sponsored link.

[–] Lifter@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I would definitely call that selling my data. The recipient can now add that to my profile as an interest.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

The recipient doesn't get any identifying data about you, because the data that shows the link was clicked does not identify you as an individual, since it's passed through privacy-preserving protocols.

To further clarify the exact data available to any party:

  • The ad marketplace only knows that someone, somewhere clicked the link.
  • Mozilla knows that roughly x users have clicked sponsored links overall.
  • The company you went to from that sponsored link knows that your IP/browser visited at X time, and you clicked through a sponsored link from the ad marketplace

There isn't much of a technical difference between this, and someone seeing an ad in-person where they type in a link, from a practical privacy perspective.

Their implementation is completely different from traditional profile/tracking-based methods of advertising.