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Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 300 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.

None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.

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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp

I'm tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human

They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before

That which cannot be found I desire

Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی‌ گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست

گفتند یافت می‌ نشود جسته‌ ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می‌ نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
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[–] stickly@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It has been clearly demonstrated that vocal opposition to one of those things gets you disappeared by ICE

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

How many American citizens have been disappeared by ICE?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Saying that the right to protest is exclusive to citizens is certainly an... interesting stance...

But looking just at citizens: ICE has already harassed and arrested scores of citizens based on racial profiling. The agency deported as many as 70 citizens during Trump's first term.

There have been allegations of more US citizen deportations in these first 3 months of his presidency. I can dredge up those examples if you'd like, but don't have them readily on hand.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What does "70 potential U.S. citizens" mean? Were they U.S. citizens or not?

I'm not saying the right to protest is exclusive to citizens, I am saying the excuse of potentially being disappeared by ICE does not apply to the vast majority of people.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

The investigators found that neither ICE nor U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) maintain good enough records to determine just how many people the agencies arrested or deported in error.

It's like 6 sentences in.

We've already narrowed that vast majority down quite a bit, I would bet anything that a visa (much less a green card) holder wouldn't face this much retaliation in October 2023.

There are about 50 million foreign-born residents in America, so in 3 months this administration has frozen the political voice of ~15% of the population.

They make up ~20% of the working age population, so if you're someone in the get-out-and-protest demographic that gives you decent odds of it theoretically not ending poorly. I guess you could say that's a vast majority, but it was nearly 100% before.

We're on pace for 50% suppression by the end of the year (20% silenced in a single quarter) and punishment will certainly be retroactive. You can understand the dilemma of 50/50 future odds you end up in jail for exercising your constitutional rights.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

What do you mean by foreign-born residents? Plenty of Americans are "foreign-born residents"

How do you figure 50% suppression by the end of the year?

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

People with Visas, permanent residents and immigrants. The administration's argument for the arrest of Mahmoud Khalil explicitly states that his residency rights are void since "we didn't know he was a Terrorist at the time". You can extend that argument to literally any foreign born individual.

50% is napkin projection based on 20% suppression every three months (0.80^3^). Obviously it makes a lot of assumptions but the crackdowns haven't slowed yet, much less plateaued. I mentioned it to show how tenuous opposition can get even for "safe" demographics.

The administration is already posturing for this suppression: labeling vague groups like antifa as terrorists, threatening funding for universities fostering protests, statements about "illegal protests", invoking the Alien Enemies Act, etc... It's not a huge leap to extrapolate to how sweeping these measures will be.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I’m trying to tell you many “foreign born residents” are actually US citizens.

Besides, your assumption is very hypothetical and not rooted in reality.

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social 1 points 41 minutes ago

Unfortunately an H1(B) visa is not citizenship. It's temporary residency that IS revocable. @alkbch @stickly

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I understand, I'm trying to communicate how that isn't as big of a protection as it seems.

The very same Alien Enemies Act sent US citizens of Japanese decent to interment camps. That's not a hypothetical, it's a line that has already been crossed.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 58 minutes ago (2 children)

Apparently they were sent to internment camps using other temporary powers enacted during the war, not that precise one.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 2 points 38 minutes ago* (last edited 37 minutes ago)

Those powers derive from the act, it gives that wartime authority. If you read the official proclamation Trump invented a similar "war" on gangs to use the same powers.

You can read Roosevelt's proclamation here, it's basically the same document shifted around to target Venezuelans.

[–] heretical_i@kafeneio.social 1 points 44 minutes ago* (last edited 43 minutes ago)

We had d3clared war on japan before the internments. We aren't in a declared war with Hamas or Palestine @alkbch There are no 'palestinian enemy aliens', but there IS a US code about foreigners on visa OR US CITIZENS interfering with or attempting to do their own diplomacy with other nations. Somewhere down my tl I posted info on that.
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