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    The indoctrination of windows is extreme. Windows is just as hard as linux, harder even with all the layers of obscurity.

    And yet... linux is hard, and users decry RTFM as "not growing the userbase"

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    [–] PieMePlenty@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    I feel like linux demands an understanding of the relationship between hardware and software more than windows does.
    If all personal computer users were tech tinkerers like they were in the 70s and 80s, then linux and its distros would basically be the default OS everyone used. But that is not the world we live in. Microsoft saw a world where everyone was a computer user and Windows was designed in a way to support that vision.
    Theres nothing inherently wrong with catering to the lowest common denominator, linux apostles just need to understand that not everyone can be uplifted to their level, nor do they want to be - or, even, should be.

    [–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

    I feel like linux demands an understanding of the relationship between hardware and software more than windows does.

    Yes, when we install Linux on something that didn't ship with Linux installed.

    But in an apples to apples scenario - pre-installed OS provided by the manufacturer, it's Windows that comes with more bullshit.

    And there are (finally!) plenty of options to buy a pre-installed Linux computer, today.

    It's a tiny fraction as many as pre-installed Windows or Mac, of course. But it's still plenty. There's a half dozen companies with solid reputations and hardware specialties, and I only need one.

    [–] Abnorc@lemm.ee 12 points 1 day ago

    This was my thought as well. Unix was built from the ground up as an OS to support researchers and engineers. Later people adapted it to desktop use. Windows was built to be easy to use for the average person from much earlier on. I don't think anyone claiming that it's not easier to use than Linux has used it lately or is being completely honest.

    Fortunately, today the gap is really small compared to what it was IMO. Compatibility with games has gotten really good which pretty much leaves behind the proprietary professional apps in terms of raw functionality. With Microsoft testing the limits of how much they can exploit their user base, I think we'll see slow but steady growth in the desktop Linux space.

    [–] Muffindrake@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

    Microsoft saw a world

    That's not what happened. They got a dominant position because IBM could not even on their IBM PCs, and were at the right place at the right time, even if DOS was actually just garbage. With the power/money from this deal, they strongmanned their position as dominant PC operating system long after that era using legal and illegal anti-competitive means.

    Microsoft still has wide unethical reach with secret and not-so-secret contracts and agreements not to allow other operating systems to gain a foothold in OEMs. And that's before you get through the sheer inertia from users that completely refuse to try something different on the grounds that they don't want to.

    Besides this, the complete apathy in Europe moving off Microsoft software is quite concerning. Companies in the US are already collaborating with fascists in an unreflected way in true capitalist fashion - as happened 90 years ago. The reaction to this in terms of OS selection by companies is to hide their head in the sand and pour concrete for good measure. This will not work indefinitely, and I feel like nobody is going to suffer consequences for being a completely willful useful idiot for what is in summation a batshit fascist regime.

    Yes, I am putting Microsoft and fascism on the same pedestal, the end stage in Microsoft bashing. The sad part with this meme is that in 2025 it's not unwarranted.

    Nobody has ever been fired for ordering ~~SAP~~ Microsoft, right?

    [–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

    Choosing software is mostly choosing a tool get a job done. Microsoft has powerful software and a big ecosystem around it.

    Windows is really good for administrating lots of workstations for large organizations for example.

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Honestly Active Directory is so underrated. I think having the ability to run all your machines Inna shared collective with group policies and high controls really helped Windows adoption.

    Even today there isn't anything quite like Windows polices. Sure you can get the same effect on Linux but it takes a lot more work and requires more scripting and customization. I think Apple and Android have equivalent management tools but I don't really know how they compare in practice.

    [–] Muffindrake@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

    Nobody disputed that their current software works.

    Choosing software is mostly choosing a tool get a job done.

    The issue in this case is that the vast majority of companies will choose a tool made by a company that will now be bending their will to a fascist dictator whose cronies cannot be trusted to do rudimentary operational security.

    There was always the nebulous stranglehold that the US might have on the IT security of any company that chooses Microsoft, because you cannot build Windows and the vast majority of their software from source, or audit them.

    From the IT security perspective of Europe it's exactly like all zero-days and backdoors known and implemented by the US intelligence agencies were just handed over to North Korea.

    Last time I checked there wasn't an easy alternative. Linux might work for some things but it isn't straight forward to manage and maintain.

    It is best to try and keep Geopolitics out of software

    You can't get rid of Windows as it is deeply entrenched and heavily depended on.

    [–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 day ago

    That just depends on what you want to do

    If you’re a tinker on Linux then you will be on Windows

    If you’re the lowest common denominator on Windows then you will be on Linux

    Linux just makes it easier for the user

    [–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    This is exactly how I felt when I switched to Linux and it "clicked".

    This is what personal computers were supposed to always be like before Capitalism ruined it for everyone.

    It is fun to talk to older people who have never used anything but DOS/Windows

    They insist that they need a GUI as they keep trying to use CLI tools like it is 1980.