Time to break free of traditional political ideological labeling and divisions. Time to abandon old, divisive sociopolitical labels like "liberal" and "conservative".
A new political party based on a vastly, commonly held virtures lends itself to embrace over 66% of Americans, and it clearly embraces progressive principled thinking. In the most ideal American sense of unity, a political party should not be able to be defined or placed as "to the left" or "to the right" of where the Democratic or Republican parties currently are. Just let it exist organically based on present-day principled thinking. The American Progressive Majority.
Originally Posted By u/Atlanticbboy At 2025-03-23 04:38:18 AM | Source
That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying play the game to win. Don't start with a losing strategy.
I would argue it isn't a losing strategy at all though.
If people start campaigning and supporting a third-party right now, there's actually a shot to win some house seats and local elections next year. That would also be the best time to try, since Repubs have majority of every branch anyways.
After winning local, then they can think senate. Remember that capitalism was only controlled in the 1950s because it feared communism. If you do not pose any threat (even if it is an empty one), they simply will not listen.
No, there isn't. We're heading into a midterm where a lot of the typically disengaged public will be afraid and in strong opposition to the incumbent party. That's going to draw a lot of people towards the Democrats, and there will be a strong "Blue no matter who" push to convince people to vote strategically. The Democratic establishment will be fighting even harder against any third parties they might see as spoilers than they will be against the GOP.
You're right that the upcoming midterms present a great opportunity, but it's not in a third party. It's in a primary push. Rather than talking about a 3rd party that has almost no chance at materializing and even less chance at winning, all our effort should be put towards convincing people they need to show up in the primaries and vote for the most anti-establishment, most left-wing Democratic primary candidates they can.
That's where the real opportunity lies. Primaries get such an incredibly small voter turnout that a relative handful of voters can swing primaries. Then, once a real leftist progressive wins the primary, the whole force of anti-fascist electoral politics will be behind them in the general. It'll be easy to paint any Republican as a fascist, which will make it easy to frame any Democrat as a rational choice, regardless how far left they may be. When that progressive is the ONLY alternative to GOP fascists on the ballot, they'll have a much easier time of winning.
Get people who don't normally vote and who hate Democratic leadership/establishment to vote in the primaries. Run progressives in the primaries. Take over the party. That's the only way this could work.
i love it. last year we were told to go get so-called "third party" candidates into office. now we're being told it's unrealistic in an off-year. it's never the right time to get rid of the democratic party.
I never told anyone to get third party candidates elected. Whoever told you that was either maliciously giving you bad advice or is clueless as to how the American electoral political system works.
maybe you personally didn't, but every time that somebody mentioned Jill Stein or Cornel West or de La Cruz, they were told that they weren't viable because they didn't have any support in Congress or other elected positions, so you have to vote for other people for president.
like I said, it's never the right time to get rid of the Democratic party.
It's not about whether it's the right time or not. The fact is that under the current political system it's simply not possible. The system is designed to prevent it from happening. You can't get rid of the Democratic Party until we get rid of the current political system first.
Also, if we're wishing for things that won't happen without overthrowing the political order, I'm much more interested in getting rid of the Republican Party. You know, the fascists who are actively black bagging people on the streets and sending them to a foreign Slavadoran labor camp where we supposedly can't get them back from.
I can't believe voting for Democrats is going to help with either endeavor
Granted, but my top priority at the moment isn't getting rid of the Democratic Party. It's the fascism of the Republican Party. History shows us pretty clearly that a fascist movement has never been defeated without leftists and liberals finding common cause in opposition to the fascists. Every time fascists have lost in history, it's been at the hands of a popular front of leftists and liberals working together. Literally every single time. And the inverse is also true. Literally every time fascists have taken power, it's been by dividing leftists and liberals and getting us to fight against each other while they take and consolidate power.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOwSWyzS0w
if you want to unite, find something to do besides vote, and I'll see you in the street
I've been in the streets. Where are you?
I've been attending various demonstrations, protests, and actions for nearly 20 years now. Ever since my early 20s (I'm 38 now) I've made a point of attending at least one protest every month, in addition to other actions I take part in. Lately, that's been closer to weekly than monthly. I cook for my local Food Not Bombs and sometimes help distribute (although my work schedule makes that difficult).
I vote, sure, but that's 2 days a year, at most. That's an incredibly small part of my political engagement.
nice. food solidarity is my jam.