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Hi all!

Newbie here on a privacy journey. My current objective is to create a cute little phone that limits tracking by surveillance capitalists, law enforcement, & the state.

That said, the stakes are not particularly high here. I just miss the world I grew up in & find the call of freedom enticing. So this is more of a hobby project for me to be able to put my main phone down and experience a world without tracking again.

So far I have installed GrapheneOS on my old phone. I'm absolutely in love with it and I'm 100% sold on one day even migrating my main phone to it. But thats not my main concern today.

For now, I have some questions related to SIM cards.

I understand that in order to avoid device number leaks (if that's something one cares about) it's important to not have a SIM card in the device and keep it on airplane mode.

However, years before privacy ever mattered to me I already had a SIM card and two eSIMs in this phone. And all of the advice I read talks about NEVER putting a SIM card in, but I have a hard time thinking critically about what that really means for those of us who ALREADY had one in.

If I remove that SIM card and eSIM and carry on using the phone, what are the privacy implications of such a choice?

Likewise, if I leave the SIM cards in but keep the phone on airplane mode is it really all that bad?

I assume at minimum this means that the IMEI number is stored somewhere in some cell tower logs. If the state were to seize my phone they could I suppose link the phone to things I did with my phone or accounts I used back before privacy mattered to me.

But are there other implications as well? Is this phone forever going to leak a connection to my old activity even if I remove the SIM cards, leave it on airplane mode, use a VPN and ensure it never falls into bad hands?

Thanks!

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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's quite possible that even with the SIM card removed, it's still actively ending up in cell tower logs. At least here in the United States, if you dial 911 from any device, no matter whether it has a SIM card installed and no matter whether it has service or not, 911 is supposed to be able to answer, which means that it must be able to talk to the cell phone towers even without a SIM card installed. You might be able to avoid that by keeping it on airplane mode, but there's no guarantee of that.

[–] Nuxleio@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For sure, that makes sense and seems to be mentioned often. I'm curious to understand different risks than that though...

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, I don't have a good answer for that.

[–] Nuxleio@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks anyway, it's good info for anybody reading!