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[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Doesn't Python treat all empty iterables as false tho? This isn't unique to python, is it? (though I'm not a programmer...just a dude who writes scripts every now and then)

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My point is that the second statement you presented can have the effect of evaluating emptiness of a Sequence (note: distinct from an Iterable), but that only holds true if the target of the conditional IS a sequence. I’m underlining the semantic difference that was elided as a result of falsey evaluation.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Ok, help a noob out. What is the difference between a sequence and an iterable? Is a sequence immutable, like a tuple?

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

thing: Sequence[Any] iirc is iterable, indexable, and reversible.

thing: Iterable[Any] only guarantees that its iterable - and note that iterating can sometimes have the effect of consuming the iterable (e.g. when working with streaming interfaces)

[–] 48954246@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

An iterable is just something that can be iterated over, like range(10), or [1, 2, 3].

A sequence on the other hand is a Collection that is reversible.

https://docs.python.org/3/library/collections.abc.html#collections-abstract-base-classes

I know what an iterable is. But I am talking about Type[Iterable], which iirc does not obey falsey eval when empty.

Not really, generators have weird truthiness, i don't remember if they evaluate to true or false, but they cannot be checked for emptiness so they default to either always true or always false.