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[โ€“] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Come on guys, this idea that we can just tell big tech to fuck off overnight is naive even by standards.

Big tech offers several services and capabilities that are used by european companies and that we just don't have in Europe at the moment, and if we decide to retaliate against them we end up fucking up our own economy just like POTUS is doing.

This article explains the problem:

https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/the-european-cloud-ladder/

highly recommend the blog BTW, at least the articles that are not in dutch. He has talked a lot about these issues and has proposals m how to begin to improve the situation without shooting ourselves in the foot.

[โ€“] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nevertheless, the European Parliament could decide to phase out all non EU based cloud services for public entities by 2030 and let European companies build those services in the mean time. The switch for private companies would be much easier once these European alternativess have built the infrastructure to address big clients.

[โ€“] skarn@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The blog in question has several proposal in that direction, though a little more sophisticated.

He basically says that the EU should fund the development and deployment of certain key services that are technologically feasible and hugely important. Even doing this at a total loss, the benefits would be beyond huge and build the capacity we would need to take further steps.

He lists 7 examples, but I'll give you 3. We need viable, comparable quality, alternatives to:

  • GMail/Outlook.com
  • Google Docs
  • Github

The article is here:

https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/now-how-to-get-that-european-cloud/

[โ€“] albert180@piefed.social 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

We already have viable European Alternatives for all these 3

  • Mailbox.org/Posteo/Proton/MailCow/OVH etc...
  • CollaboraOffice/OnlyOffice/CryptPad
  • ForgeJo/Codeberg