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Kind of surprised that Lemmy fell for it too.
Fell for what? From all publicly available information, Bill Gates is an objectively better person that is putting his money to far better good than Elon and is an example of how billionaires should behave.
Does that mean that he's overall a net "good" person in the grand, karmic, life total sense? Hard to say, given the abuse that Microsoft perpetuated to become Microsoft, probably not, but that doesn't change any of the first part.
Bill Gates is one of those secret elite Epstein list pedophile Zuckerberg-lizard people ruining and draining the planet. Gates wife divorced him for his Epstein escapades.
Running a big pharma company disguised as a charity and using his money to influence the WHO and WEF.
Elon Musk is a neo Nazi idiot who is too stupid to keep their schemes going and canceled USAID.
In terms of human casualties Elon is a lot lower than Gates. Because Bill Gates is competently evil.
Lol, the idea that a billionaire liked to go to his friend's party Island and fuck prostitutes automatically means he's also part of an intentionally world ending cabal is flat out tin foil hat level conspiracy theory.
Occams razor would suggest that Epstein was popular because people like to fuck, not because he was an evil mastermind.
The lizard people comparison is obviously a hyperbole to illustrate how evil Bill Gates is. And he is part of the world ruling class that is what the WEF is.
Also, weird you call children "prostitutes".
No, it's weird that you think that every girl Epstein had on his island was underage. Or maybe you didn't read actual reporting, just internet conspiracy theories.
did you just noticed that you are literally defending that it's ok for someone to go to a secret posh brothel which happens to have underage children as sex workers? that this isn't a character statement on someone?
Please quote where I said it was ok.
https://lemmy.ml/post/29856258/18522438
Calling children prostitutes
Don't feed the troll; it's not worth it.
Quote the exact words where I called children prostitutes. Don't worry, reading comprehension is a learned skill, but we can get there.
The parent is being a bit hyperbolic, which isn't useful, but that's not Alex Jones-level tinfoil hattery, even if it appears similar at first glance. Of course you're right that he was an Epstein bud because he liked to fuck the classmates he couldn't in school. At the same time it's also true and provable that uncle Bill spends his money lobbying various domestic and international organizations to further his and by proxy the owner class'es interest. I distinctly remember for example good uncle Bill lobbying the US government and the WHO against IP sharing at the height of the COVID crisis:
Source: Wired Magazine
PS: Being an Epstein bud could help if you want to lobby big names with words and capital. People pay good money to sit at the table and talk to some big shots at various places.
It's provable that he seems to do it to further his own interests, but it's also entirely possible (if I personally think unlikely), that he lobbied for that path because he thought it was the more practical path that was more likely to succeed or gain traction for whatever reason.
Or he may have done it because he has a vested interested in maintaining IP law, or maybe he has friends who do who convinced him it was important, and he did it because he wanted to please his friends.
Or maybe he did it because he was really conniving and constantly thinking specifically about class principles and how to fuck the lower classes. But I suspect the reality is simpler.
I mean if it's children you're fucking, that is kind of evil..?
But it doesn't take a mastermind, nor imply a larger world ending plot.
No that's what all the other stuff about his WEF position, vaccine patent trolling and farmland holding implies. And you know, his whole history at Microsoft.
Lol no it fucking doesn't. My fucking god, you people are fucking conspiracy theory crazy.
Literally all of his actions can be explained by him simply acting out if self interest at each decision point. None of it implies a larger plot in any way shape or form.
Honestly, you sound like religious who people who desperately need their to be some larger machinations at work and can't just accept that most things happen due to random chance.
Imagine being so brainwashed that when you are presented with overwhelming evidence you go "duhhhh CoNspIEEERAcEEEEsS?!!!"
Oh, you're from lemmy.ml, I shouldn't have bothered engaging in the first place, that makes sense.
Lmao, enjoy trying to navigate life thinking that saying the magic words "WEF, Epstein Island, Microsoft", counts as overwhelming evidence, or even counts as a coherent logical train of thought.
Enjoy life as a pedophile billionaire apologist.
Oh wow, an edge lord on the internet called me a pedophile billionaire apologist, how original, what keen intellect, what honest discussion.
The guy sligning adhoms is playing the victim already. What a surprise.
Lmfao, says the guy who immediately devolved the discussion to 'youre defending a pedophile', when I suggested that a world wide conspiracy might not exist.
Keep insisting that a cabal is putting you down specifically, I'm sure it's easier to accept than you just kind of sucking as a person.
☝️Case in point, LOL.
It isn't hard at all to say whether Bill Gates is an "overall net 'good' person" or not. He became a billionaire (which is an inherently exploitative act), and no amount of trying to whitewash his legacy with philanthropy after the fact can change that.
Oh I'm sorry, did I express an opinion that wasn't an overly simplistic black or white answer? Thank god the internet edge lord economy is still going strong to correct me.
Crazy how people feel the need to be able to judge everyone in a group exactly the same huh? One billionaire not being an asshole and they need to shut it down because it would break their reasoning. Billionaires can be assholes and Bill Gates can be an exception, doesnt change anything really. The saddest part is that this is the line of reasoning to racist people use to evaluate 'other races' : group them up and condemn them all, easier than actually evaluating each case.
If you buy the argument that billionaires have become such by collecting the extra value their employees create above the wage they get paid, then it's easy to see why many consider them harmful regardless of their personal traits. In that framework, the billionaire that's the least harmful is the one that has the fewest billions. Luckily, unlike race, there's an easy way to become a non-billionaire. One option is paying higher wages so that you never become one. Another is lobbying for high taxes and paying them. Yet another is giving enough of money away as to become a millionaire. With race, there are no options to become not-that-race.
And so we judge billionaires as a group, as a class, because of their function and effect on society, the economy and the political system. Not because we think they're all bad people that we have to hate. They cannot be billionaires without having these effects.
Speaking of value employees make above their wages, here's a fun fact. If you take the average yearly net income (profit after costs) of Google and you divide it by their number of employees, you get a number around half a million per person, per year.
let's just forget for a second what he did or not in epstein's island, being a billionaire is bad wether the person is an asshole or not. it means we live in a socio-economic system that enables someone to concentrate an insane amount of resources and decide solely out of his mind how to direct the spending of those resources. that they are not being used entirely to solve global warming or world hunger or disease issues is problematic and it's not some token value spent on charity or point-based solutions that is going to change that. the fact that he doesn't want to break the patents of covid vaccines is pretty much an example that, when pressed hard enough, he will act on the interest of his class, regardless of what he personally thinks.
the fact that he associated with epstein, independently of his reasons, is just the cherry on top of that shit sundae.
I mean, he hasnt been CEO of microsoft since like 2000 and his foundation is one of the biggest donors to WHO, competing with whole countries, I'd say he is pretty good
Remember when he lobbied against sharing vaccine IP at the height of the pandemic?
Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Quite frankly I agree, but was being more pessimistic to show that the original point stands regardless of how you feel about his time at Microsoft.
What we fall for?
Billionaire “philanthropy.”
Billionaire philanthropy is like doing 100 damage to humanity, then returning 5 health. Then the 5 health gets amplified by information channels and it gets to feel much bigger in the collective consciousness. It gets a further boost when there's other prominent billionaires that don't give any hp back making it stand out as the good guy. So you end up in a bizarre position where objectively the philanthropist is the good guy compared to the rest, but the vast majority of us have no hp left.
Woke
Going to need a little more than a word that seems to have lost all meaning.
I am saying what you said actually was in the original meaning.
Waking up from a snooze?
Aware of social dynamics that are just not quite right.
Like the existence of billionaire celebrities.
Anyway i guess this thread does settle it. I take full responsibility for this mess of a comment chain.
The term i considered at one point a uniting concept of progressive values is dead. If it no longer conveys the message we want to express it becomes useless. Propaganda seems to have won that battle.
But a good thing, we are still here and we still seem aware of social dynamics that are not quite right, like billionaire celebrities.
Stay woke ✊