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I'd say that Musk was just as big of a part of MAGA as anyone else. Quite a bit more than most really because he ran a whole ass government agency so he and Trump could harm their political/business opponents.
Even though the Leopard ate his face, he still voted for/ promoted/ worked for/ and donated hundreds of millions of dollars to the Leopard. Musk is in no way a victim here.
Sure, he got 'chewed up' (I guess), but so did Hitlers supporters when they outlived their usefulness. It's really not surprising.
Name anybody (besides themselves) that they do care about? Caring about people isn't exactly the Republicans strong suit.
I agree it's not really a 'turning point' but don't underestimate the number of people (MAGAt's or not) who are Musk ball lickers. Those people will 'pick a side' and not everyone will choose Trump. They are both Fascists though, so the people end up losing either way.
I guess my main point is that Elon doesn't really have a "base" any more. Neither the neoliberal technologists and futurists he charmed nor MAGA are on his side any more. He burned his bridges with public support. So he only has his money to influence representatives. And is empire is crumbling too.
What prompted me is that the neoliberal mainstream press and social media is jumping on this as if it was a turning point. This is another "Trump is in deep trouble now!" after he or someone else said something.
PS: I'd be curious where Peter Thiel stands, the handler of Vance.
PPS: If Thiel backs the impeachment Thiel will become president and that might align with their goals to dismantle democracy in the US.
This is true. The only people that will remain loyal to Mush are centrists/ politically disinterested people. I think that will turn out to be a lot of people, but not enough to really do any damage. I can see some neolibs who bought Teslas stanning for him in the hopes they will regain some of the value in their vehicles.
I'm more concerned with Musk's wealth, he can do a lot of damage with that still. Not as much as the government can do, but not insignificant either. If he feels like he is being attacked, I can see him doing some really disgusting things to get revenge.
My guess is as long as Trump plays by the rules and continues to chicken out on the Tarrifs, people like Theil will be content to stay in the background, silently pulling the strings. As soon as he starts actually hurting peoples bottom lines, that's when we will see dissent. That is almost certainly why Musk cut and ran.
I think people like Theil and Trump are equally committed to dismantling democracy (in practice if not in name), so I don't think it matters who is running things. They have to be careful about it too, since they have propped him up and Trump is a megalomaniac who actually thinks he deserves to be where his and his base are rabidly, stupidly obedient to him.
What do you define as a centrist in that context? From an European viewpoint, most democrats are right-wing politicians, some of them even far right. Bernie Sanders is the only one that comes to mind that could be seen as center-left.
And politically disinterested people don't sound like a relevant political force...
They created a quite sizeable cult of personality around Trump. Getting rid of him will at least hurt during the next election. That is, if there is an election and the magats have the mental capacity to remember what happened a year ago from then.
I'm referring to people who vote, but they claim to be the 'reasonable' middle ground between Democrats and Republicans. They are right wingers who don't feel strongly one way or the other, because they are either completely ignorant about politics, or get their information from American mainstream media (pretty much the same thing).
Basically they have no real values and only know that they are satisfied with the status quo and will vote for whomever they think will maintain it. There is a lot of overlap between these pseudo-intellectuals and people who boot lick Musk.
I'm not a Democrat I'm a leftist, so I view it that way as well
AOC has had some pretty decent takes, but like Sanders she is a politician in America and has to play the game so who knows what she actually believes in. I believe her heart is probably in the right place at least.
They're not. I wasn't trying to imply Musk would run for office or anything. I'm just saying they are likely to be the type of people ignorant enough to continue to support him.
If there is another election and they are going to pretend it's legitimate, Trump would have to overturn the 22nd amendment to the Constitution to be eligible to run. A constitutional amendment requires a 2/3 vote from both houses of congress, and that is not likely to happen.
That doesn't mean the dumbass won't try to pull some sketchy shit and I honestly wouldn't put it past him to try.
Thanks for more insight.
I've seen some AOC memes but didn't really notice her beyond that. Again, European viewpoint. She doesn't really make it into European news.
I read something about right-wingers trying to claim that the 22nd amendment only says that nobody should be elected twice, so if Trump gets into office without getting elected, everything is fine. So their plan is to get someone else elected in Trump's stead and that person should then just appoint Trump as the new president, because according to them, that's apparently possible. And with their surpreme pile of garbage that they call a court, that might just work.
Scary times.
Fortunately, that doesn't work either, there are several issues with that logic.
We are still (nominally) a type of Democracy. That means our 'leaders' must be elected. The 22nd only addresses term limits, the constitution itself spells out how the President comes into power in the first place, and that is by being elected. Nowhere is the President granted the power to appoint someone else to the office. The 25th amendment lays out who is to be president in the event that the current one is unwilling/unable to perform their duties.
Still, we are talking about if he at least wants to have the appearance of legitimacy. He's certainly argued that he can 'creatively interpret' the constitution to suit his agenda. For example, despite the 14th amendment stating that "...all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." the Trump administration has tried to claim that 'all people' do not include people who's parents were 'illegal immigrants', despite the Supreme Court precedent that it most certainly does include them.
I do have some faith that Americans would not stand for that though. That would be the final straw for many of us. If I am still around and something like that happens, I know it will be the final straw for me. I was born in a 'free' country, and I have no issues dying to help ensure it remains that way.
That being said there is nothing really stopping him from being the 'de facto' president in the case one of his lackeys gets elected and is willing to let him do so. For example if Vance were elected he could allow Trump to attend meetings and press conferences and speak on his behalf. He could be appointed an 'advisor' and Vance could follow his 'advice' every time. Hell he could allow Trump to sleep in his bed and use his toothbrush if he wanted.
Hopefully the DNC will pull it's fucking corporate boot licking head out of its ass and put up a candidate that's actually worth a damn for the next election, but that's about as likely as Trump stepping down gracefully.
It's going to get a lot worse before it gets better. I wish I believed in God, I would ask you to pray for us.