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I really don't want to give a billion dollar corporation credit for "proving" something a shit ton of people have been saying this whole time.
The only people saying this was true AI was the people who work for these companies and the investors who fell for it.
Most of the "big uses" have been literal mechanical Turks with a human pretending to be a program.
It's just when capitalism drives science, it only matters what the wealthy say, and apple is very very wealthy
There’s nothing wrong with scientifically proving something that’s commonly known. In fact, that’s an important duty of science, even if it’s not a glamorous one.
Exactly. “Conventional wisdom” is often inaccurate, or outright incorrect.
You aren’t wrong by in this case, nothing needs to be proven by a 3rd party since anyone recently in programming knows how LLMs works. It’s factual.
LLMs are famously NOT understood, even by the scientists creating them. We’re still learning how they process information.
Moreover, we most definitely don’t know how human intelligence works, or how close/far we are to replicating it. I suspect we’ll be really disappointed by the human mind once we figure out what the fundamentals of intelligence are.
They most definitely are understood. The basics of what they’re doing doesn’t change. Garbage in, garbage out.
But others have been showing this for years...
You don't often hear about the 17th time an experiment reaches the same conclusion.
But like I said, people will care about it. Because capitalism drives science so it matters more when a billion dollar corporation says it than countless subject matter experts.
Investors don't listen to them, but they'll listen to apple.
OK, then, when was the last time this was scientifically proven? By whom? Please provide citations and references.
Just to be clear...
You want me to show you a study that shows AI needs to be trained to do something?
Because I can do that, I just realized this is apple and don't want to get in something that never ends with a fanboy.
But what would make you happy is something that shows what AI developers spend billions of dollars and violate all types of laws or n pursuit of isn't just some optional step they can skip and it'll still do what it does now.
Cuz thats what it sounds like youre asking for, it's just a little hard to believe.
Exactly as I thought: you’re full of shit.
That explains a lot
People need to be told, as too many have no judgment or critical thinking anymore.
This is important. And it will help them get back to reality.