Woah there buddy, you can't just jump straight into the (non-)solution like that! You skipped the planning refinement! And the planning pre-refinement! And the pre-planning pre-refinement! And we'll still discuss all of this in the post-planning refinement!

(Yes, every one of these are real, distinct meetings, lasting at minimum one hour but sometimes two or more. EVERY WEEK. Kill me now please? 🥺)

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And after all that it is discovered that it was the wrong solution all along because the requirements were poorly specified, so the process must be started all over again

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The circular justification of a PM's job, see how much value they add!?

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

So something I don't understand is the logic behind my job. I'm a software engineer, that effort makes sense to me to develop and solution and configure.

But I've been given a product owner role. And then I have a product manager I work with who isn't technical.

I really don't feel like I do much other than stress out

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Tbf that seems like the proper response to me.:-)

Normal human ways of thinking go like: however you do it, so long as the job gets done it's fine! ☺️

PM thinking: even if nothing ever gets done, so long as ~~I collect a salary~~ we continue to have 3 hours of meetings most days every week, it's all good! 🤔🤯

Also, afaik, the conflict between the PO and PM roles is somehow literally the point? You get blamed if the tasks don't get done, while the PM ensures that endless reports get generated - I doubt the vast most of which are ever read, and I know that I for one can never find one of those later, in part bc there are so many of them and they encompass everything else into them as well (Jira tickets, Slack messages, hundreds of emails per day mostly saying "this Jira ticket or that Confluence page has been edited", the former of which for the life of me I cannot figure out how to turn off!).

So... not only I but we all feel your pain! Otoh, that seems one of the first job roles that will soon be replaced by AI?

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I have a feeling AI won't take my role, AI will force me to take ownership of more products. I worry greatly about that.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 3 points 3 days ago

Yes, this is greatly to be feared:-). But at least you will have a job, other than "factory worker" like everyone else seems to be geared into becoming (either that or soilent green / food - I wish I were joking, though possibly the person in charge who put forth that idea was joking at least? I mean... unless we are into it? No? Okay we can wait on that one...).

You will just have to manage all of the products that the company can force upon you, while they do the "real" work - of golfing, ofc! 😉

Also I now realize that my above messages were slightly incorrect - they were for the "Project Manager" role, which is distinct from your role as "Product Owner", and then "Product Manager" is a whole other thing... I guess, but I have no idea what the latter is supposed to do, really.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck me am I glad I'm out of the corporate world

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

I keep trying to escape, but I do need a paycheck so... [rolls up sleeves] back into the fray I go, once more! :-|

[–] 7U5K3N@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And then complain that the light bulb wasn't fixed in the time that a different team projected on the L1 from 3 years ago.

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago

Exactly. Also, prediction they're referencing from 3 years ago was to build a lemonade stand.