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On X11 and the Fascists Maggots (blogs.gnome.org)

submitted 2 days ago by Mihies@programming.dev to c/linux@programming.dev

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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

Fascists and Nazis
Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
“Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I"ve been experimenting with both Cosmos and XFCE Wayland.

Color pickers, screenshot, and window recording/streaming all don't seem to work or require Wayland-only packages that are extremely primitive in features and use.

Alt+tabbing out of games, whether fullscreen or windowed, also doesn't seem to work.

Wallpapers and cursors installed to the standard location where the distro installs all of them don't seem to be usable. I have to manually copy them to somewhere in the home directory in order to use them.

Screensavers seem to be unusable except for one port of xscreensavers.

I know OpenSUSE plans to eliminate x11, so I'm trying to get used to Wayland, but I do hope it's more developed before I have to use it full time.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I"ve been experimenting with both Cosmos [I'm assuming you mean Cosmic, System76's upcoming DE?] and XFCE Wayland.

So the only Wayland implementations you've tried are ones in Alpha or Beta?

Tbh that seems like an unfair comparison. You're comparing alpha and beta software to production-ready software, and complaining about it not being as stable.

Wayland is a lot more mature on Gnome or Plasma. I started using Wayland on Gnome in 2019, and aside from when I briefly tested with an Nvidia card a number of years ago, the only issue I've ever had was screen sharing on discord, which was 'Discord are pathologically against updating their electron version' issue, not a Wayland issue.

[–] 90s_hacker@reddthat.com 7 points 1 day ago

tbf, aren't both of those still in early stages? I don't think I've had any issues with those on KDE wayland