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I would like to express concern about the future of the Signal messenger. Although Signal currently has a significantly smaller audience than WhatsApp, there are existential risks associated with the messenger covering a larger number of users. Is it rational to say that the goal of this messenger is to be used by the largest number of users, so let's assume for a moment that Signal was able to achieve its mission and most WhatsApp users switched to Signal - I know this is right now unrealistic, but even 30% of users would be an enormous, huge number. Thus, what is the future of the messenger when it starts organizing communications for 1 billion users worldwide?

Would it be rational to assume that counterintelligence forces and special police will send their agents to the organization as undercover workers to sabotage the work and embed backdoors during companies in the context of company growth and staff expansion in this scenario? The question is rhetorical.

I would like to hear the response of the company's president to this existential threat, and to thank for their work.

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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Signal Foundation is a nonprofit in California, and they are the ones that operate the relays and maintain the FOSS app. Since they're a regular 501(c)3 and not a religious org, you can look into how their money is spent (to see if it's going to any suspicious recipients) and whether they're getting suspiciously large sums of money.

On top of that, they don't have access to the communication data itself. It's all E2EE, and the app being FOSS means you can inspect how that data is encrypted and sent (and even build your own from source, if you're paranoid). Even if they're unknowingly hiring covert bad actors, it's unlikely their activities would stay hidden for long.

So while it's certainly a concern that it's still centralized messaging, it's probably one of the best options due to the easy access for most people. Other than a billionaire buyout or government laws that force backdoors into encryption, the only real existential threat they currently face is operation costs. They were fortunate to have wealthy philanthropists in the beginning, but if they have an explosion in users (unlikely), it might bring the organization to its knees.

I don't find your particular scenario to be worrisome. And if it turns out that it's compromised in the future, there's other good apps out there, like SimpleX.

[–] int32@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There's also XMPP(on which whatsapp is based on), it's quite good with OMEMO.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, and I think there's a third option that I can't recall at the moment (not Matrix), but no matter what, there's alternatives that work and could be made to fit people's chat needs.

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

If you ever recall what the third option is, please post.

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