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End of September, Switzerland will vote for E-ID. A big threat for our privacy as it will widely used for tons of new use cases.

Behind the government pitch of an "open source project, completely optional" hides big tech industry... Which will make it mandatory to access their services.

What are your thoughts on that ?

#Switzerland #Privacymatters

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[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There is an article in the proposed law that e-ID is only allowed to be required for actions, where the law explicitly requires authentication.

In this proposed law there is no article that explicitly forces services to require a ID

So it only applies to services that used to require identification since a long time, lime buying alcohol, money laundering protection, some government stuff you had to do physically prior etc.

But there is a new law coming which sadly did mot get a referendum, that requires age verification for 18+ media like video and games. But this law will take effect no matter if e-ID is accepted or not. So if e-ID was declined, you would have to scan the compete ID, do a liveness selfie and send it to private companies like Netflix to watch 18+ stuff there.

With e-ID, you can proof you’re old enough without revealing name, gender, body hight etc.

Please inform yourself correctly before spreading nonsense

[–] ryannathans@aussie.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mm yes the law, a thing that can never be changed, that big tech definitely doesn't have power to influence, and a concept that other countries definitely won't be "inspired" by

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In Switzerland, any law changes can be prevented by a referendum

So, no, in Switzerland, the law can not just be changed.

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Can be", we know that citizens do not have criticism sense for technologies matters

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, but the e-ID won’t change that.

If no e-ID is existent, you’ll have to upload a scan of your real world ID instead, with all unneeded data included.

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I use my ID maybe 1x per year at the moment.

The ides of EID is to make it usable to access commons services such are bank, streaming, alcohol shop, sex shop and many else...which will make is use in many context where is unused at the moment.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You need to verify age for all these services already, if you offer those. (Except 18+ streaming).

E-ID will not changed those laws.

And if you don’t use these services now, you will not need E-ID then. (Except 18+ streaming)

And if e-ID is declined by the people of Switzerland, you will have to upload ID for 18+ streaming. This law is already thought and can only be stopped with a new initiative.

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why i should show my Is for streaming? Never had to.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hahaha, have you even read my comment?

There is a law that will come in effect soon about selling media and games that are age restricted. The seller has to do an age verification. The referendum against it did not get enough signatures. This law will come into effect no matter if e-ID yes or e-ID no. You didn’t have to verify your age yet, because that law is not in effect yet. You will have to upload a picture of your physical ID with unnecessary private data, if e-ID gets not passed. Do you really not understand?

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago
[–] ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You need to verify age for all these services already, if you offer those.

half of the given examples the cashier can just look at you if you are noticeably older than the age limit, but even when they want your ID they will just look at it with their eyes, not scanning it with a computer that cannot be verified right then and there what its doing

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago

That will still work out with e-ID law in action

The cashier can still take the risk, as they did before not checking ID, as it is only forbidden to give too young people alcohol not required to verify the age. This law is not changed with the e-ID law.

With e-ID law in effect, you can still show physical ID to the cashier without any scanning. E-ID law won’t change that.

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago

Switserland is quite unique. They have referenda for big changes and are pretty conservative. Besides from that, they're all armed and battle ready ;-)

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As you mentioned. There's a new law coming without referendum. Today you'll need it to guy alcohol. Tomorrow streaming After tomorrow access to public transport

The open web forum in my picture exists. You can have a look. They dictate the rules. Its public information :)

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes because that law did not get a measly 50k signatures. So there is no need to vote.

[–] harfang@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 weeks ago

Because people are not involved in the digital topics as they don't understand it.