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[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I gave you the opportunity to provide a potential alternative, it's not a false dichotomy by definition.

If no one knows how consciousness works, what gives you the confidence to 🤣 about it? If you can't provide an alternative, maybe your opinions aren't significant.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If I gave you the opportunity to provide a potential alternative, it’s not a false dichotomy by definition.

You hadn't disputed the false dichotomy so I assumed you accepted it.

If no one knows how consciousness works, what gives you the confidence to 🤣 about it? If you can’t provide an alternative, maybe your opinions aren’t significant.

Because "providing an answer" is not the same as "providing a good answer". Just because we don't know what causes something doesn't mean you can just make up whatever BS you like.

Either consciousness is an emergent property of complex systems, in which case the universe, as the largest and most complex system, is likely conscious

This is so bad it indicates that my time discussing this with you will very much be wasted. Like - if you don't know that it's terrible then I'm just not smart enough to explain it to you. You jumped from "A" waaay past "Z" into "CRAZY" without connecting any points in between.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You hadn't disputed the false dichotomy so I assumed you accepted it.

The very first thing I said was a refutation.

Just because we don't know what causes something doesn't mean you can just make up whatever BS you like.

And just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it isn't founded on reasonable logic, and just because you haven't heard something doesn't mean it isn't a serious philosophical debate. Formulating a hypothesis is the cornerstone of discovery, you can't get to good answers without considering the solution space.

You jumped from "A" waaay past "Z" into "CRAZY" without connecting any points in between.

...? That's a pretty direct logical step.

If you can't imagine an alternative explanation then you're not mentally equipped to criticize the explanations offered. So either accept my explanations, provide your own, or kindly put your empty opinions back where they came from.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it isn’t founded on reasonable logic, and just because you haven’t heard something doesn’t mean it isn’t a serious philosophical debate.

You're absolutely right. The fact that it's BS is what makes it BS.

If you can’t imagine an alternative explanation then you’re not mentally equipped to criticize the explanations offered. So either accept my explanations, provide your own, or kindly put your empty opinions back where they came from.

Yeah. I expect as much. You've never provided any support for your shitty argument. It's just my "lack of intellect" that stops me from understanding your genius right?

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's your repeated refusal to suggest an alternative. I am willing to consider and respectfully discuss an alternative. You don't have one.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Your argument is too stupid for me to put effort into a reply. You're just getting shit posts. Sorry.

Edit: It's like somebody saying "the Earth is flat". yes I could spend hours devising a competent and clear argument against it. But really - it wouldn't matter. They'll just say something stupid with little thought that would require another several hours for me to refute. It's just not worth it.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Your argument is too stupid for me to put effort into a reply.

The most transparent cop out I've ever seen.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yep - I'm not gonna bang my head against a wall.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

No, you can't. You literally can't think of a third explanation. I know, I tried. Everything you can think of reduces to one of the two.

You don't have to admit it, just actually take the time in private to think about consciousness and what it could possibly be, actually give it a shot. I'm certain you can't think of a third alternative, there isn't one.

But if you can think of an alternative, I'd love to hear it. I've devoted a great deal of study to the topic, and I'd love a new legitimate perspective.