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why do you even post then? You have no insight to offer, evidently don't know the first thing about veganism but decide to add to the sea of vegetarian and carnist apologia on a vegan comm anyway.
Veganism is the belief that non-human animal pain and suffering is as valid as human pain and suffering, that the right to exercise their own will is a right for all animals. It's not some vibe based "communing with nature" or whatever it's about animal liberation. The reason vegans seem so combative is because there's a principled stance behind it and not just "i think animals are really cute I could nevar!!"
I don't care for your support for "veganism". It means jack and I spit on supposed allies that still are part of the baby killing machine. Their cheers mean nothing if they don't stop killing newborns, worse than nothing they think it absolves them somehow??
I also don't care about your opinions on how to convince others to become vegan when you can't even convince yourself. I know how I got convinced and it wasn't people hemming and hawing about the animal genocide but centering the non-human animals and keeping the focus on them.
I understand your anger and impatience, I feel it too. Still I believe this attitude is not helping. Yeah, some omnis need a little push sometime, to challenge their ideology. But this is a little too much, in my humble opinion. You're giving them an excellent excuse to just leave.
I don't care about outreach in this case. This is a vegan comm where a vegan is asking a question to other vegans and yet this carnist thinks he gets to have an opinion? I mean look at this idiot:
No clue but yapping anyway. This is a problem with the predominantly white carnist cis men in this app who think they can just come and go into any space at any time as they please because that's how it's been for them their whole life. They think that they can Just Ask Questions and others are obliged to debate them in a polite and restrained manner so that they may "educate themselves" or whatever. It's not just a problem in vegan comms, but in female only comms, trans comms etc. And if they aren't shown the door in a resolute manner they will return with their uninformed, braindead opinions instead of shutting up and reading before writing.
Edit: what really ticked me off is this notion of "ally to vegans" as it completely deplatforms the animals. It's not just congratulatory to the vegan as if they're being extraordinarily virtuous and denying themselves a luxury like some ascetic, but self congratulary as if some of that virtuosity might be bestowed upon the carnist excusing their "transgressions" by "allying" with the vegans. As if not wanting to kill, maim or otherwise subjugate thinking, feeling creatures is a good deed and not just the absence of evil. Being a vegan does not make you good, but not being a vegan makes you evil.
oops. Just noticed you quoted that, rather than saying it. Sorry :)
Yeah and the idiot I'm quoting is still arguing about it 🤣
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