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I'm disgusted and disappointed, that's different (media.piefed.social)
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[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Wikipedia is a reliable single source in academic circles now? I spent more time than college professors will on the wikipedia article.

As you didn't read the blog post or its sources here's another excerpt:

Many say that the United States, one of the oldest continuous democracies in the world drew influence for its constitution and governmental structure from an even older democracy, the Haudenosaunee Confederacy.

The very next paragraph which you might be able to scroll to reads:

"The Senate recognized the influence of the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois) Confederacy on the construction of the Constitution in a resolution read on September 16, 1987, that noted, “the original framers of the Constitution, including most notably, George Washington and Benjamin Franklin, are known to have greatly admired the concepts, principles and governmental practices of the Six Nations of the Iroquois Confederacy. Whereas the confederation of the original Thirteen Colonies into one republic was explicitly modeled upon the Iroquois Confederacy as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the Constitution itself (3-4).”"

It's ok to update your opinion.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Wikipedia is a reliable single source in academic circles now?

I spent more time than college professors will on the wikipedia article.

... you do fucking realize that college professors tell you that Wiki is unacceptable as a citation for the same reason that they tell you Britannica is unacceptable as a citation, right? That encyclopedias are not suitable citations for academic papers?

Thanks for admitting both that you don't understand the actual position of academics on encyclopedias and that you didn't actually read the quoted excerpt from the article, though, I guess. Especially considering that you yourself cited wiki with regards to the Sullivan Expedition.

As you didn’t read the blog post

I'm sorry that projection is the only tool you have. I hope you get better. And I'm sorry that you're so disappointed that I actually read the sources you provided, including the Britannica source which said nothing that actually backed your claims up, but I'm sure 'looked' authoritative at a glance to you.

We're done here.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You argued that it's settled pop history myth.

The government stated in U.S. Senate Concurrent Resolution 331, passed in 1988: This non-binding resolution officially acknowledged the historical debt of the United States Constitution to the Iroquois Confederacy. It states that "the confederation of the original Thirteen Colonies into one republic was influenced by the political system developed by the Iroquois Confederacy as were many of the democratic principles which were incorporated into the Constitution itself."

Your own wikipedia page cites the fact that women weren't primarily accounted for in the new government as something special. That was largely a 'feature' of european society.

I'm glad the evidence is settled 100% and all the historical record is settled according to you and the sources you've cited. Hint:It's not.

Guess it is done then.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thanks for admitting both that you don’t understand the actual position of academics on encyclopedias and that you didn’t actually read the quoted excerpt from the article, though, I guess. Especially considering that you yourself cited wiki with regards to the Sullivan Expedition.

I’m sorry that projection is the only tool you have. I hope you get better. And I’m sorry that you’re so disappointed that I actually read the sources you provided, including the Britannica source which said nothing that actually backed your claims up, but I’m sure ‘looked’ authoritative at a glance to you.

We’re done here.

[–] Mjpasta710@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

You mentioned that you're an irritated person, this conversation has run its course.

I've provided a direct source from the U.S. Senate and made a few points that have been overlooked. It feels like the irritation is now driving the discussion more than the facts are.

Let's ignore that the cited historians have a clear bias against competing civilizations and entire swaths of native american history have been destroyed or ignored, as we have and continue to do. Are you sure you're a leftist?

There's no productive way forward from here.

Have a day.

[–] hatorade@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You gave him links as proof he's wrong, he called you a moron, and then left. Ain't he such a good and smart dude?